19791028 Knowledge of the Divine 公开讲座 [上天的知识](机器翻译/未校对)

Knowledge of the Divine, Public Programme, Caxton Hall, London (UK), 28 October 1979.

公开讲座 - 上天的知识，Caxton Hall，伦敦（英国），1979年10月28日。

Every time I face the new people I have to give an introductory talk and Sahaja Yogis get sometimes impatient about it. But we have to understand that this is the knowledge of the Divine. And those who have not known about it are to be told. And those who have known should know that there are many things they have not known, which they have to know. Still there is a lot to be known.

每当我面对新人时，我都要做一个介绍性的演讲，而Sahaja Yogis有时会对此感到不耐烦。但我们必须明白，这是上天的知识，需要把它告诉给那些不了解它的人。那些已经知道的人得知道，还有许多他们不知道的事情，还有很多东西需要知道。

Supposing I tell you all about it and you do not get your realization, you do not get your yoga, you do not get your connection with the Divine, then it is useless. Talk will remain talk. You may verify it; you may find it the same written in many scriptures. Many saints have told you the same thing, it has no use. The knowledge, gyana, is useless without yoga, without the union with the Divine.

假设我告诉你所有的知识，但你没有得到自觉，你没有得到瑜伽，你没有得到与上天的联系，那么知识是无用的。讲座依然只是讲座。在许多经文中你可以找到、验证到这些相同的知识；许多圣人也告诉你同样的事情，但它没有用。知识，gyana，如果没有瑜伽—即与上天的联合，是无用的。

When you get the yoga, also, when you are realized, you get your realization and I do not give you the knowledge, then your realization is also useless. I’ve seen in this great country many realized souls are born. They live as realized souls, they don’t know what are they, they act as spiritualists, they call themselves, whatever people call them. But they are not aware that they are realized souls! They commit mistakes, they go onto wrong paths, get confused about their realization. So, it is necessary also to know what have they got, what does it mean, how to use it, how to go ahead with it and how to develop.

当你获得瑜伽时，意即当你得到自觉，你开悟了，而我没有给你知识，那么你的自觉也是无用的。这个伟大的国家里我在看到许多已经觉醒的灵诞生。他们以觉醒的灵活着，他们不知道他们自己是什么。他们称呼自己为灵性主义者，以此行事，不管别人怎么称呼他们。但他们并未意识到他们是自觉的灵！因此，他们犯错误，走错路，对他们的觉醒感到困惑。故此，觉醒的灵有必要知道他们得到了什么，觉醒意味着什么，如何使用它，如何继续它，以及如何发展它。

Many people who have been here in this hall have got realization. Once they get realization they feel so satisfied about it that they just don’t come next time. And sometimes, after a year or two years they appear saying that “Mother, we are again lost.” So, to get realization is the most important thing, absolutely important. Because if you do not start your car, you do not move. You go on describing everything: that now here we are on Leicester Square, now we are here, but you are not there, you’re just talking. The car has to move，first has to start and when the car has started then you must also know the roads, how to go. Then the car starts and bumps into something, then you feel ’what has happened? Our car has started!’

许多来到这个大厅的人都已经得到自觉了。一旦他们得到自觉，他们对此感到非常满意，然而下次就不来了。有时候过了一两年之后，他们可能再次出现，并说“母亲，我们又迷失了”。诚然，得到自觉是最重要的，绝对重要。因为如果你不启动汽车，你就走不了。即便你一直描述：现在我们在莱斯特广场，现在我们在这里那里，但实际你并没有在那里，你只是在谈论。车子要移动，首先得启动；汽车启动后，那时你就得知道路，以及怎么走。之后车子会碰到一些东西，然后你感觉'发生了什么？噢我们的车启动了！'

So, these are two things: one is the yoga – is the realization, true awakening of your Kundalini and the another is the gyana, which is the part which gives you complete knowledge and mastery over your powers. 

For example, you go to a house and the lady gives you the keys, “All right this is your house, you use it as you like it.” Say, I come to England and somebody gives Me the keys. I don’t know how to use your washing machine! And I don’t know how to use the oven! Though she has given Me the keys, I have entered into it; I should know how to use it. I should know also what are the don’ts and what are the dos. Before entering into the house, what’s the use of knowing, also? Of course, it may help you, if you have little knowledge about it. But you cannot practise anything because you have not entered inside it. The machinery is not before you, you are not facing it.

所以，这些是两件事：一个是瑜伽 yoga - 即自觉，你的昆达里尼的真正觉醒；另一个是知识 gyana，即让你完全了解和掌握你的力量的部分。

例如，你去一所房子，一位女士给你钥匙，“来，这是你的房子，你可以随心使用它”。好比说，我来英国，有人给我房子钥匙。尽管她给了我钥匙，我已经进入了房子，但我不知道如何使用洗衣机，我不知道如何使用烤箱。因此（进入后）我得知道如何使用它。我得知道什么是可以做的，什么是不可以做的。进入房子之前，知道这些有什么用？当然，如果你知道一点知识，那可能对您有所帮助。但你无法实践，因为你没有进入房子里面。器具不在你面前，你还没有面对它。

So, in Sahaja Yoga one has to first get into Self-realized state and then should know thoroughly how to use that state or how to be in that state, how to manifest it, improve it and stabilize it. For this you cannot go into courses, that is for definite. Should we do fourteen courses outside, has nothing to do with Sahaja Yoga. You have to get the keys.

因此，在霎哈嘉瑜伽中，人们必须首先进入自觉的状态，然后再彻底了解如何使用该状态或如何处于该状态，如何彰显它，改进它，和稳定它。为此你去报课学习是没用的，绝对没用。即便外在地学习十四门课程，也与霎哈嘉瑜伽无关。你必须得到钥匙（进入内在）。

Secondly, you cannot pay any money for it. You cannot purchase it. It is very difficult for human beings to understand this part: that you cannot pay for it. That is one place where you cannot pay and purchase. It is not that you are going to judge the Sahaja Yoga, but Sahaja Yoga is going to judge you. It’s just the other way round. It is not that you are going to purchase Sahaja Yoga, but Sahaja Yoga has to purchase you and has to accept you. It is very easy to do any other nonsense, just you pay the money and you are there enrolled permanently. You become the member of any group, very easy. And you can club together and be satisfied, “Oh, we are this and that.” You can bind yourself as anything but not as Sahaja Yogis unless and until you have got it. It is that essential, that authentic, that intrinsic, that innate, that you have to be that. You can be an Englishman if you get a British passport. You can be a director anywhere if you can qualify for that. But you cannot be a Sahaja Yogi by doing thing, any, anything that you have been doing to achieve for worldly things or worldly positions, worldly possessions.

其次，你不能为此付钱。你不能购买它。人类很难理解这一部分：你不能购买它。这是一个你无法支付和购买的地方。这不是你要审判霎哈嘉瑜伽，而是霎哈嘉瑜伽会审判你。这恰恰相反。并不是你要购买霎哈嘉瑜伽，而是霎哈嘉瑜伽必须购买你且必须接受你。任何其他不知所谓的事情很容易，只要你付钱，你就是在那里永久入会。您成为任何组织的会员，非常容易。而且你可以聚在一起并感到满意，“哦，我们是这个，我们是那个”。你可以将自己标榜为任何东西，但不会是霎哈嘉瑜伽士，除非你得到自觉。这是本质的，真实的，内在的，与生俱来的，你必须是那样的。

如果您持有英国护照，您可以是英国人。如果您符合资格，您可以在任何地方担任董事。但你不能成为一个霎哈嘉瑜伽士，仅通过任何为了世俗的所得或世俗的位置，世俗的财产而所做的任何事情。

We see so many such phenomenas in our life. Like we cannot see or cannot manoeuvre, cannot do: a flower manifest into a fruit; as we cannot germinate a seed, we cannot do this living thing, which has to be done by divine power and not by human power. Once you get it, the divine power starts flowing through you, then you can also charge the dynamo. There is no false certificate that can be given. You may be having a son who is not realized, you may stand on your head or do whatever you please, you just cannot certify unless and until he has got it. It is such a strange thing, so unique. But do you know this is what you are seeking? The rest of the things can be sought. This is the thing which can only be requested for, to be prayed for, to be asked for. You cannot demand it, only the grace of God can work it out.

我们在生活中看到了许多这样的现象。就像我们不明白或不能操控，做不到令一朵显化为果实。我们也不能令种子发芽，我们不能做这种活生生的事情，这必须由神性力量成就而不是人力来完成。一旦你得到自觉，神性的力量就开始流经你，然后你也可以为发电机充电。没有可以颁发的假证书。你可能有一个没有自觉的儿子，你可能会倒立或做任何你喜欢的事情，但是你不能获得证书，除非得到自觉。这是一件奇怪的事，如此独特。但是你知道这就是你在寻找的吗？其他事情都可以寻求，这件事只能被请求，被祈祷，被要求。你不能命令它，只有上天的恩典才能成就它。

Today I happened to read Bible, part of it, and I was amazed how John has revealed so many things about chakras and this, but of course, in a very mystic language. He calls chakras as the plug in his genius and the deities as the angels. He has also described the realization. It is so wonderful to read it, but only after realization you’ll understand, because it’s a very, very deep writing and you cannot read much from it – mystical, sounding vague words.

今天我碰巧读了圣经，其中的一部分，我很惊讶约翰如何揭示关于轮穴的这么多东西，当然，这是一种非常神秘的语言。他把chakras称为天才的插件，将天神称为天使。他还描述了自觉。阅读它是如此美妙，但只有在自觉之后你才能理解，因为它是一篇非常非常深刻的写作，你无法从中读懂太多 - 它都是一些神秘，听起来含糊不清的文字。

Now, we are here to seek ourselves. Everybody is floating an enterprise like that, everybody is saying, “Oh, we are here to help you to seek yourself.” I may be one of them, too. Why should you believe Me, in any case? The first thought that will come into your mind is, “Why should we believe Mataji?” You’ll believe in Me blindly, it is not going to help Me at all. Neither it is going to help Me, if you are going to deny. Like a scientist, just keep your eyes open. Keep your mind open. Because this is what you are seeking, not in this lifetime, you have been seeking for ages. And unless and until you get it, you are not going to be satisfied; you are not going to find your fulfilment. This has to happen to you.

现在，我们在这里寻求我们的真我。每个人都是流动的营盘，每个人都在说，“哦，我们在这里帮助你寻找自己”。我也可能是其中之一。无论如何，你为什么要相信我？你想到的第一个想法是，“我们为什么要相信玛塔吉？”你会盲目地相信我，它根本不会帮助我。如果你要否认，它不会帮助我。像科学家一样，只要睁大眼睛。保持开放的态度。因为这就是你所追求的。不仅仅是在这一世中，这么多世你一直在寻找。除非你得到它，否则你不会满足；你不会找到你的完满。这会发生在你身上。

I don’t know how far Gavin has been able to explain to you what to expect out of Sahaja Yoga. But it is the actualization of this experience I’m talking about, which has to work out.

我不知道加文能在多大程度上向你解释能从霎哈嘉瑜伽获得期待。但这是我正在谈论的这种自觉的实现，这会成就。

Here you see they have drawn a human being as he exists with his divine instrument within himself. These are the patterns of the energies which are undercurrent of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system is managed by two channels within us: one, on the left hand side you see with the blue line, is the power to desire, is called as kriya shakti. And the another one, on the right hand side, with the yellow line, is the power to act, which is called as the kriya shakti, the first one is called as the ichcha shakti. First, one has to desire and then he acts, and these two powers exist within us as left and right sympathetic nervous system, which doctors can see outside the spinal cord, but this is inside the spinal cord and inside the cranial bones, inside the brain as you can see it there.

这你看他们已经画了一个人体示意图，他的神性设施都在里面。这些是交感神经系统和副交感神经系统潜流的下的能量中心。交感神经系统由我们内部的两个通道管理：一，在左手边（左脉），你看到蓝色的线，这是欲望的力量，被称为iccha shakti。另一个，在右手边（右脉），用黄线标识，是行动的力量，被称为kriya shakti，而第一个被称为ichcha shakti。首先，一个人必须渴望，然后他才行动，这两种力量作为左右交感神经系统存在于我们体内，医生可以在脊柱外看到，但这（经脉）是在脊柱内和颅骨内，大脑内，你可以在那里看到它。

These all can be related to the gross nervous system that doctors can see, but they are subtle energies within us. The one which runs on the left hand side is connected with the seventh chakras down below or you can call it the first chakra. This gives us desire to live and also desire to die. All desires gives us emotions, it gives us existence and when we deny our existence, then it gives us death. The other one is the power of action for which we use our physical being and our mental being. So, this represents our physical and mental being.

这些都可以与医生可以看到的神经系统有关，但它们是我们内在的微妙能量。在左侧运行的那个与下面的第七个轮穴连接，或者你可以称它为第一个轮穴。这给了我们生活的愿望，也渴望死去。所有的欲望都给了我们情感，它给了我们存在，当我们否认自己的存在时，它就给了我们死亡。另一个是行动的力量，我们利使用我们的身体和灵存在。所以，这代表了我们的身心存在。

The central one is called as the path of knowledge, gyana shakti. But the knowledge we know of is very different from the knowledge I’m talking about; I mean the subjective knowledge that we have achieved as human beings through our evolution. For example, a human being is much higher in his awareness than the animal. His awareness is a thing that he has achieved through his evolution, which is built in you, which acts subjectively. For example, supposing you take a rose flower, you know it is a rose flower and you enjoy it. But for an animal, it makes no difference whether it is filth or a garden, it can pass through it most unawares.

中央的一个被称为知识的道路，gyana shakti。但是我们所知道的知识与我所说的知识截然不同;我指的是通过我们的进化我们作为人类所自觉的主观知识。例如，人类的意识要比动物高得多。他的意识是他通过他的进化而自觉的，这种进化是建立在你身上的，主观行动。例如，假设你采取玫瑰花，你知道它是一朵玫瑰花，你喜欢它。但是对于动物来说，无论是污物还是花园都没有区别，它可以通过它最不知不觉地通过它。

So your gyana shakti, means your awareness or your knowledge, knowledge that is awareness. Human awareness is developed to a point and still has to develop more, has to manifest more. It has to have another dimension, because of a certain gap in between. You can see the central line; this green gap gives you the Void, gives you an awareness which is not yet complete. The completion of human awareness can only be achieved if he reaches the absolute point. Supposing you have not reached the absolute point, then whatever you are talking is relative. Relative to relative creates confusion. So, the idea of righteousness, idea of holiness, idea of sin, everything is relative.

因此，您的gyana shakti，意味着您的意识或您的知识，知识即意识。人类意识发展到一定程度，仍然需要发展更多，必须表现出更多。它必须有另一个维度，因为它们之间存在一定的差距。你可以看到中心线;这个绿色差距给你Void，给你一个尚未完成的意识。只有达到绝对点才能自觉人类意识的完成。假设你没有达到绝对点，那么无论你说什么都是相对的。相对于亲戚造成混乱。所以，正义的观念，圣洁的观念，罪的观念，一切都是相对的。

You have to reach that absolute point by which you judge whether it is holiness or not, whether it is sinful or not. That we have to reach, that absolute point is within us, placed in our heart, which is called as the Spirit and is the reflection of God Almighty. In Sanskrit language it is called as Atma. That Spirit resides within us, it watches all our activities, it knows everything about us and it informs the lowest chakra there, which records everything that we do, all our conditionings, all our ego-trips, to that three and a half-coiled energy, which we call as Kundalini. Kundalan means coils. This is the Kundalini as called as the Serpent Power

你必须达到这个绝对的点，你判断它是否是圣洁，是否有罪。我们必须达到的，那个绝对的点在我们体内，置于我们的心中，被称为圣灵，是万能的上帝的反映。在梵语中，它被称为Atma。灵存在于我们内部，它监视我们所有的活动，它了解我们的一切，它通知那里最低的轮穴，记录我们所做的一切，我们所有的条件，我们所有的自我旅行，到三个半盘绕能量，我们称之为昆达里尼。昆达兰意味着线圈。这就是被称为蛇力的昆达利尼

Now, horrible things have been said and written about Kundalini. I read, I mean when I even heard about it, I was really shocked, the naive description of it! I’ve always said that it is like a villager going in the city and putting both the hands into the plug and saying that electricity I know, don’t tell me about it. See what happens, it gives you a shock and you just fall back and you break your neck.

现在，有关昆达里尼的可怕事情已经被人们说过了。我读了，我的意思是，当我听到它时，我真的很震惊，天真的描述！我总是说，这就像一个村民进城，把双手插入插头，说我知道的电，不要告诉我。看看会发生什么，它会让你感到震惊而你只是摔倒了，你会摔断脖子。

Those who do not know about Kundalini have written about Kundalini because this is the only area where nobody can control you. You can write anything about god, against god or do whatever you please, who can check you? There is no law which forbids. You can write about Kundalini whatever you feel like. She is your Mother. She has been born with you several times. She is the one who is going to give you realization and do you think your Kundalini is going to harm you by any chance? Is going to torture you, is going to trouble you? And if you have to achieve the highest through the divine love of god, is it going to be torture some? Did you get this nose and these eyes and mouth and everything that you have as a human being out of some tortures? You never even felt how it has happened! How gentle it is, how kind it is! It is your Mother who is sitting there waiting for a moment to rise. Now the whole thing sounds very poetic to a scientific mind. But poetry is also part of human beings. If it sounds poetic, it is the poetic work, of the Kundalini. God is not only science; he is also love, beauty. He is not only dry truth, he is also joy. He is joy: he is joy, because he is truth, he is truth because he is beauty.

那些不了解昆达利尼的人写过关于昆达利尼的文章，因为这是唯一没人能控制你的地方。你可以写任何关于上帝，反对上帝或做任何你喜欢的事，谁可以检查你？没有禁止的法律。无论你想要什么，你都可以写下昆达利尼。她是你的母亲。她已经和你一起出生过好几次了。她是那个会让你意识到的人，你认为你的昆达利尼会不会有任何机会伤害你？会折磨你，会不会给你带来麻烦？如果你必须通过上帝的神圣之爱达到最高，是否会遭受折磨？你有没有得到这个鼻子，这些眼睛和嘴巴，以及你作为一个人在一些折磨中所拥有的一切？你甚至从未感觉到它是如何发生的！多么温柔，多么好！是你的母亲坐在那里等待片刻上升。现在整个事情对科学思想来说听起来很有诗意。但诗歌也是人类的一部分。如果它听起来有诗意，那就是昆达利尼的诗意作品。上帝不仅仅是科学;他也是爱，美。他不仅是干涸的真理，他也是喜悦。他很高兴：他很高兴，因为他是真理，他是真理，因为他是美。

So, when the Kundalini rises within you through these six centres that are shown here, it pierces this area, which is called as the fontanel bone and gives you Self-realization. This is called as baptism. You cannot go to a theological college and become a Baptist. Nobody can brand you a Baptist. You have to be realized. This fontanel bone area has to be pierced through by the Kundalini, then only you become one with the all-pervading Power, with that subtle power, it has to happen; this germination has to take place within you. You are still at a seed stage and just by branding a seed you do not become a tree.

因此，当昆达利尼通过这里显示的这六个中心在你体内升起时，它会刺穿这个被称为囟门骨骼的区域并让你真我觉醒。这被称为洗礼。你不能去神学院成为浸信会。没人能给你打造浸信会。你必须意识到。昆达里尼必须穿过这个囟门骨区域，然后只有你成为一个拥有无所不在的力量的人，拥有那种微妙的力量，它必须发生;这种萌芽必须在你体内发生。你仍然处于种子阶段，只是通过品牌种子你不会成为一棵树。

So, it has to happen within us and has to happen beautifully and spontaneously because it is a living process of evolution. We have evolved into human beings from amoeba; nobody has done anything about it. And we are not going to do anything about becoming that for which we are made. Somebody who has created this machinery is going to put you through to the mains if he wants to use it. But in between there’s a little problem. Everything was ready, just perfect; just to be connected to the mains. But, the instrument was given the freedom to choose.

所以，它必须在我们内部发生，并且必须美丽而自发地发生，因为它是一个活生生的进化过程。我们已经从阿米巴变成了人类;没有人对此做过任何事情。我们不会做任何关于成为我们的事情的事情。如果他想使用它，那么创建这种机器的人会把你带到主电源。但介于两者之间有一点问题。一切都准备好了，完美无缺;只是连接到主电源。但是，该仪器可以自由选择。

That is important for evolution, very important that you should be given the freedom, a complete freedom to choose whether it is right or wrong. Nobody can force that onto you. In all your freedom you have to choose whether you want to enter into the kingdom of God or not. Nobody going to force you there, to enter. It has to be your desire, it has to be your asking and for that, freedom has been given. To use these two powers of your desire and of your action which gives you the idea of your accelerator and of your brake, to know how to drive your own car, so that the master behind it hands over the keys to you and car to you.

这对于进化很重要，非常重要的是你应该获得自由，完全自由选择是对还是错。没有人可以强迫你。在你所有的自由中，你必须选择是否要进入上帝的国度。没有人会强迫你去那里，进入。它必须是你的愿望，它必须是你的要求，为此，自由已经给予。要使用你的欲望和行动的这两种力量，让你知道你的加速器和制动器，知道如何驾驶自己的车，以便它背后的主人把钥匙交给你并开车给你。

It was necessary for you to learn these two powers to be managed, but in your freedom and in understanding yourself, you have committed mistakes: you have bumped your cars too much. It was said that keep in the centre. Do not go too much left or to the right or you’ll get into bumps. Either you went into the left or to the right. And when you try to correct your right you went into the left, to another extreme, to correct to the left you went to the right. By going to the extremes you’ll be bumping your car. And this is exactly what has happened to us. Doesn’t matter; the car has to be repaired, it has to be done. Little patience can work it out. There’s nothing to get annoyed with oneself.

你有必要学习这两种权力来管理，但是在你的自由和理解你自己的过程中，你犯了错误：你已经把你的车撞了太多。据说保持在中心。不要向左或向右走太多，否则你会陷入困境。你要么走左边，要么走到右边。当你试图纠正你的权利时，你进入左边，到另一个极端，向右纠正你向右走。通过走极端，你会撞到你的车。这正是发生在我们身上的事情。没关系;汽车必须要修理，必须要做。很少有耐心可以解决这个问题。对自己没有什么好恼火的。

When the car starts it goes free fast. Then you should know how to slow it down, how to organize it. Then you have to become the authority yourself of discrimination. I don’t have to tell you that this is not good or that is not good. How is it possible? Because you become one with the Divine, you become one with the primordial Being, with the great Being, with the Akbar. And you start acting according to that. Just is a subjective manifestation of your awareness takes place by which you understand what’s wrong with you and what’s wrong with others.

当汽车启动时，它会快速自由。然后你应该知道如何减慢速度，如何组织它。那么你必须自己成为歧视的权威。我不必告诉你这不好或不好。这怎么可能？因为你与神圣成为一体，你就会与原始的存在，与伟大的存在，与阿克巴一起成为一体。然后你开始按照这个行事。只是主观表现出你的意识，通过它你可以了解你的错误和他人的错误。

It is so precise and correct, you just feel on your hands, on your fingers as shown: all the centres that are within you, which are created out of different elements, immediately you know what is in imbalance, what is more, what is less, left is more or right is more, what is wrong with you. Even a born-realized childs of two years who can talk, can tell you what’s wrong, because subjective, you start feeling it: this is happening, that is happening.

它是如此精确和正确，你只是感觉在你的手上，在你的手指上如图所示：你内部的所有中心，由不同的元素创建，立即你知道什么是不平衡，更重要的是，什么是少了，左边更多或更右边更多，你有什么问题。即使是一个可以说话的两岁出生的孩子，也可以告诉你什么是错的，因为主观，你开始感觉到：这种情况正在发生，正在发生。

All this understanding comes to you, because it is Self-knowledge. But when you know about yourself you also know about others, because you jump into collective consciousness. You jump into, I say, you become collectively conscious. It is not, I say, “We are all brothers and sisters,” you see. Have United Nations for it. And use it for giving jobs to everyone. It’s not that way. It’s an actualization that takes place: you just become, jolly well you’ll have to feel it. You cannot get rid of it, it becomes your awareness. You just feel it and that’s how you correct it. Everybody is a part and parcel of that great Being: as this finger can feel this finger and as when it is hurt this finger goes to sooth it, in the same way the whole is more important than individual. So when we are seeking our wholesomeness we have to know only through Self-realization by becoming one with the Self, you are going to get it.

所有这些理解都归于你，因为它是自我认识。但是当你了解自己时，你也会了解别人，因为你会进入整体意识。你说，你进入了整体意识。你说，我说，“我们都是兄弟姐妹”。拥有联合国。并用它来为每个人提供工作。不是那样的。这是一个自觉的过程：你只要变得快乐，你就必须感受到它。你无法摆脱它，它成为你的意识。你只是觉得它，这就是你如何纠正它。每个人都是这个伟大存在的一部分：因为这个手指可以感受到这个手指，当它受到伤害时，这个手指会舒缓它，就像整体比个体更重要一样。因此，当我们寻求健康时，我们必须通过与自我成为一体而通过真我觉醒来知道，你将会得到它。

Talks, talks, talks, we have had many. Let’s have the real and get it. You cannot argue about it, it happens. Specially in this country, I’ve seen, because you are great thinkers and analyzers, everything you try to analyze. But this is beyond your thinking; you go beyond your rationality. Because rationality is limited and you have to be triggered into something unlimited, so you have to leave that. You have to go into that space; you cannot explain it by thinking. But then, when it starts flowing through you, you use your rationality to understand “why this finger is burning?” it is decoded in Sahaja Yoga, all the knowledge.

会谈，谈判，谈判，我们有很多。让我们拥有真实并获得它。它不能争论它，它发生了。特别是在这个国家，我见过，因为你是伟大的思想家和分析师，你试图分析的一切。但这超出了你的想法;你超越了理性。因为理性是有限的，你必须被触发到无限的东西，所以你必须离开它。你必须进入那个空间;你不能通过思考来解释它。但是，当它开始流过你时，你会用你的理性来理解“为什么这个手指在燃烧？”它在霎哈嘉瑜伽中被解码，所有的知识。

In Sahaja Yoga you know all the decoding of all the signals you get from the Absolute. Your computer starts working. But who has to decode the computer and the numbers? All that is explained; that is what you have to learn, that is known as gyana.

在霎哈嘉瑜伽中，你知道从Absolute获得的所有信号的所有解码。您的计算机开始工作。但谁必须解码电脑和数字？所有这些都得到解释;这就是你必须学习的，即所谓的回旋。

After realization what one has to do? Also point comes up sometimes. Supposing, I have enlightened this one, what have we to do? Is to give light. What a question! When you are enlightened, after enlightenment what do you do? Is to give light, that’s all. That’s your job, is to give light. But how to manoeuvre it, how to organize it – that’s the thing you have to learn. For which I’m willing to work very hard. And everything that I say, you have to verify it and you have to see for yourself. After realization, if you start doubting, we had people who started doubting. What are you doubting here? I don’t want anything from you. I’m sitting here just to give, not to take anything, then what are you doubting about? They start doubting and the progress is much less. But some people are of very high calibre in this country. Are of a very great high calibre, and once they get it, they just get it like that.

在自觉了一个人必须做的事情之后？有时也会提出要点。假设，我已经启发了这个，我们该怎么办？是给予光明。这是什么问题！当你开悟时，在启蒙之后你会做什么？是光，这就是全部。那是你的工作，就是给予光明。但是如何操纵它，如何组织它 - 这是你必须学习的东西。为此，我愿意努力工作。我说的一切，你必须验证它，你必须亲自看看。自觉之后，如果你开始怀疑，我们就有人开始怀疑。你在这里有什么疑惑？我不想要你的任何东西。我坐在这里只是为了给，不要拿任何东西，然后你怀疑什么？他们开始怀疑并且进展要少得多。但是有些人在这个国家非常优秀。是一个非常伟大的高品质，一旦他们得到它，他们就是这样。

In [UNCLEAR] there was one gentleman who went to someone and was ditched and deceived and absolutely was looted. He just saw My photograph. There are, Gavin himself has got his realization only through My photograph. There are many here who have got it through My photograph only. But they are people of calibre. So, I said that Sahaja Yoga is going to judge you and you are not going to judge Sahaja Yoga, you cannot. You cannot measure it. It is an ocean. Just enjoy it and be your self. It’s a gift which you have been asking, so just take it. It’s absolutely free, you cannot pay it and don’t think on these hopeless worldly ways. It is love of God, the grace of God, which one has to receive. Just enjoy it. Just have it. That’s what it is and we should work it out.

在[UNCLEAR]，有一位绅士去找某人，被扯下来并被欺骗，绝对被洗劫一空。他刚看到我的照片。有，Gavin本人只通过我的照片得到了他的认识。这里有很多人只通过我的照片。但他们是有才干的人。所以，我说霎哈嘉瑜伽会判断你，你不会判断霎哈嘉瑜伽，你不能。你无法衡量它。这是一片海洋。只是享受它，成为你自己。这是你一直在问的礼物，所以就拿吧。这是完全免费的，你不能支付它，也不要考虑这些无望的世俗方式。这是上帝的爱，是上帝的恩典，是人必须得到的。只是享受它。拥有它。这就是它，我们应该解决它。

Now I have a system, specially in these countries, that people can ask Me questions. But it happened like that that questions were asked by extremely negative people mostly. I would answer them; they would take everybody’s time who were anxious to have realization. And then just as soon as we started – “all right let’s have the realization” – the person would get up and go away. It’s common practice. The person is not at all interested in Self-realization, seems to be more interested in question. I thought if you give more chance to a person who is negative and useless than to people who really want realization. Now, if there is a question, I still would like you to ask Me, no doubt. But be sensible and considerate.

现在我有一个系统，特别是在这些国家，人们可以问我问题。但事情就是这样，大多数极端负面的人都会问这些问题。我会回答他们;他们会把每个人的时间都放在渴望自觉的时候。然后就在我们开始的时候 - “好吧让我们自觉” - 这个人会站起来走开。这是常见的做法。这个人对真我觉醒一点都不感兴趣，似乎对问题更感兴趣。我想如果你给一个负面和无用的人提供更多的机会，而不是那些真正想要自觉的人。现在，如果有问题，我仍然希望你问我，毫无疑问。但要明智和体贴。

Thank you very much.

非常感谢你。

May God bless you all.

愿上帝保佑你们所有人。

Be considerate when you ask a question, but ask. It’s nice to ask, you know, because I have no questions, that’s the problem. Not to fear, please ask the question.

当你问一个问题时要体谅，但要问。很高兴问，你知道，因为我没有问题，这就是问题所在。不要害怕，请问这个问题。

Lady from the audience: Have a question.

来自观众的女士：有一个问题。

Shri Mataji: You have been always asking, I am not going to allow this time. She is useless. You asked Me. Somebody else should ask Me. Her questions are always like that, has no meaning. You’d better get your realization, perfected. Anybody else? Ask. She’s been every time asking questions, but you don’t want to perfect your realization. You must perfect your realization. Yes, ask Me, loudly.

锡吕.玛塔吉：你一直在问，我不会允许这个时间。她没用。你问过我。别人应该问我。她的问题总是那样，没有任何意义。你最好自觉，完善。其他人？问。她每次都在问问题，但你不想完善自己的意识。你必须完善自己的自觉。是的，请大声问我。

Question: I’ll try not to be negative, but I tried to come to organizations and I searched quite a lot

问题：我会尽量不要负面，但我试图来组织，我搜索了很多

Shri Mataji: I can see that.

锡吕.玛塔吉：我可以看到。

Question: Of different organizations

问题：不同的组织

Shri Mataji: All right

锡吕.玛塔吉：好的

Question: and always I come to the same question that people who are interested in truth, how could they come to such an organization as Yours?

问题：我总是遇到那些对真理感兴趣的人，他们怎么能来到像你这样的组织？

Shri Mataji: I have no organization. We have no membership. This is not an organization.

锡吕.玛塔吉：我没有组织。我们没有会员资格。这不是一个组织。

Question: But…

问题：但是......

Shri Mataji: Now, I’m very happy that … Please, sit down, all right? I know. He is a seeker; he has been to many organizations. There has to be. It is written already in the Bible, there have to be many like these, you see, coming up. All right? But first of all, I’ve requested you that here we are not selling anything, to begin with. We are not selling, nor are we going to loose in any case. Maybe, your ego a little bit, maybe. Because we are identified with our ego, we think our self is our ego, you see which may not be pampered also, as in another organization. I’ve been, seen people who are very honest, they go to other organizations and they find that only their ego is pampered and their pockets have been vacated.

锡吕.玛塔吉：现在，我很高兴...请坐下，好吗？我知道。他是一个寻求者;他去过很多组织。必须有。它已经写在圣经中了，你必须看到，有很多这样的东西会出现。好吧？但首先，我要求你在这里开始时我们不卖任何东西。我们不卖，也不会在任何情况下放松。也许，你的自我一点点，也许吧。因为我们与自我认同，我们认为我们的自我是我们的自我，你看到哪些也可能不被宠爱，就像在另一个组织中一样。我一直认为，非常诚实的人，他们去其他组织，他们发现只有他们的自我被宠爱，他们的口袋已经腾空。

No, that’s not here. Now, I also do not guarantee that you will get your realization definitely. It’s like germination. If it works, I’ll be the happiest person and you’ll be the happiest. If it doesn’t work, please come again, we’ll work out. So, again if you have started judging about it, it won’t work out. There are fifty per cent people here who are realized people and they know your problems. They haven’t given Me a single pie; nothing!

不，那不是在这里。现在，我也不保证你肯定会得到你的认识。就像发芽一样。如果它有效，我将是最幸福的人，你将是最幸福的。如果它不起作用，请再来，我们会解决。所以，如果你已经开始判断它，它将无法解决。这里有百分之五十的人是有意识的人，他们知道你的问题。他们没有给我一个馅饼;没有！

But if you come here, you have come in your own right, because you are a seeker and I respect you for that and I love you for that. And I’m here for you. Not in London, I didn’t come to London for that, I came by chance. You know that My husband was appointed here to this U.N. thing, he was elected, and I had to come here. But also this is god’s desire that I should be with you because there are so many seekers! So, I’m with you here.

但是如果你来到这里，你就是自己来的，因为你是一个寻求者，我尊重你，我爱你。而我在这里等你。不是在伦敦，我没有来伦敦，我偶然来到了。你知道我丈夫被任命到这个联合国，他当选了，我必须来这里。但这也是上帝的愿望，因为有这么多的求职者，我应该和你在一起！所以，我在这里和你在一起。

If you have been to many organizations and many thugs also, I must tell you very, very frankly that you’ll have problems much more than anybody else will have. It’s going to be difficult to give you realization, because all these organizations do spoil your Kundalini and your chakras. I’ve yet to meet one organization which doesn’t spoil. Except for, there are some real people who live in the forests and they have disciples. But I can make them out: if they are coming from the real gurus, I immediately know. But no organization, so far, I have known, who has even kept your instrument intact. They have spoilt your Agnya; they have spoilt other centres, which are so vital, just to get some money out of you. I don’t know why they have done it.

如果你曾经去过很多组织和很多暴徒，我必须坦率地告诉你，你会遇到比其他人更多的问题。要让你意识到这一点很困难，因为所有这些组织都会破坏你的昆达里尼和你的轮穴。我还没有遇到一个不破坏的组织。除了，有一些真正的人住在森林里，他们有门徒。但我可以把它们弄出来：如果他们来自真正的导师，我立刻就会知道。但到目前为止，我所知道的任何组织都没有保持你的乐器完好无损。他们破坏了你的Agnya;他们破坏了其他中心，这些中心非常重要，只是为了从你那里获得一些钱。我不知道为什么他们这样做了。

I know you are tired of seeking, but no more you should repent about it. But if you have been to other gurus, you must tell us, because we have problems correcting you. Even if you read the books, even if you just think of them or even if you have a photograph, it acts negatively. It’s a problem. So, I request you to let us know if you have been to any guru. I wish I could tell you the experiences we have had how people who went to other gurus, and there were things that we had to correct. And most of the Sahaja Yogis are here who have been, at least half of them or most of them have been to some gurus somewhere and have known this, that there is a problem. Doesn’t matter; if your Kundalini is preserved even by them, I’ll be very thankful.

我知道你已经厌倦了寻求，但你不应该再忏悔了。但如果你去过其他导师，你必须告诉我们，因为我们在纠正你时遇到了问题。即使您阅读书籍，即使您只是想到它们，或者即使您有照片，它也会产生负面影响。这是一个问题。所以，如果你去过任何一个导师，我请你告诉我们。我希望我可以告诉你我们曾经有过去过其他导师的经历，以及我们必须纠正的事情。而且大多数霎哈嘉瑜伽士都在这里，至少有一半，或者大多数人曾经去过一些导师并知道这一点，这是一个问题。没关系;如果您的Kundalini甚至被他们保存，我将非常感激。

All right? Correct now? So, should we start now? Let us see how it works out? Now, put your hands like this.

好吧？现在纠正？那么，我们现在应该开始吗？让我们看看它是如何运作的？现在，像这样举手。

One has to be extremely positive after realization, about it. If you go down, you’ll move very slow: it is like three paces forward and two paces backwards. When you will reach? You’ll never reach. Before that, I do not ask for anything. But after that you have to do it. Secondly, when you put your hands towards Me, as shown there, all these fingers have got the centres, the chakras dormantly placed on these fingers: one, two, three, four, five, six and seven, on the left, on the right: left sympathetic and right sympathetic. So, when you are placing towards Me, like as you place towards this one, it radiates heat. In the same way, I radiate this divine Love. You will also radiate when you’ll be realized, when you’ll be enlightened. So, when you put your hands towards Me you take this radiation within yourself.

关于它，人们在自觉之后必须非常积极。如果你走下坡路，你的移动速度会非常缓慢：就像前进三步，后退两步一样。什么时候到达？你永远不会到达。在此之前，我不要求任何东西。但在那之后你必须这样做。其次，当你把手放在我身上时，如图所示，所有这些手指都有中心，轮穴周期性地放在这些手指上：一，二，三，四，五，六和七，在左边，在右：留下同情和正确的同情。因此，当你向我放置时，就像你朝向这个放置一样，它会散发热量。以同样的方式，我散发出这种神圣的爱。当你意识到自己会被开悟时，你也会放射出来。所以，当你把手放在我身上的时候，你可以自己吸收这些辐射。

It goes within yourself onto these: there are two very important chakras, which work it down on your these two lines and inform the Kundalini through the lower chakra to rise. And you can see with your naked eyes the pulsation of Kundalini in some people, who’s this chakra is catching, with naked eyes you can see. You can see the even rising of the Kundalini. If you have the stethoscope you can feel the throbbing going up. When it reaches here, it throbs here and then it stops. That is the time you are realized. But some people have lots of imbalances. Now, how do we remove them, imbalances are? Supposing, the ego is too much on this side, there is no space here. So, you have to push down the ego. If the superego is too much, you have to push down the superego.

它自己进入这些：有两个非常重要的轮穴，它们在你的这两条线上工作，并通过较低的轮穴通知昆达利尼上升。你可以用肉眼看到昆达利尼在某些人身上的脉动，这个轮穴正在堵塞，你可以用肉眼看到。你可以看到昆达里尼的崛起。如果你有听诊器，你可以感觉到悸动在上升。当它到达这里时，它会在这里晃动然后停止。那是你意识到的时候。但是有些人有很多不平衡。现在，我们如何去除它们，不平衡是什么？假设，这方面的自我太多了，这里没有空间。所以，你必须压低自我。如果超我太多，你必须推低超我。

So, those who are realized people, also radiate this, this divine Love, this integrated force of vital energies and there, through their vibrations manoeuvre it by giving these radiations, they take it down. You can also do it. You have to learn only that. And then they raise the Kundalini, so the Kundalini starts. If there is an obstruction you can see the Kundalini going there. For example, somebody has a liver trouble. You can see the Kundalini going there and throbbing. If you have, say, the kidneys trouble, the Kundalini will go there; poor thing will supply to the kidneys and then come up. That’s why the first thing that will happen to is that physically you will be cured. We have definitely cured cancer. The president of India was suffering from cancer, was cured by Me. If you want you can write to him and ask. Cancer can only be cured by Sahaja Yoga, by nothing else, is also another fact. But doesn’t matter; don’t get too frightened about it.

所以，那些被认识的人，也是这个，神圣的爱，这种生命能量的综合力量，并且通过他们的生命能量通过给予这些辐射来操纵它，他们把它取下来。你也可以这样做。你必须只学习。然后他们举起昆达利尼，所以昆达利尼开始了。如果有障碍物你可以看到昆达利尼去那里。例如，有人患有肝脏疾病。你可以看到昆达利尼去那里悸动。如果你有肾脏问题，昆达里尼会去那儿;可怜的东西会供给肾脏然后上来。这就是为什么会发生的第一件事就是身体上你会被治愈。我们确实治愈了癌症。印度总统患有癌症，由我治愈。如果你想，你可以写信给他并问。癌症只能通过霎哈嘉瑜伽来治愈，除此之外，也是另一个事实。但没关系;不要太害怕它。

Just now, let us have the Kundalini moving. Let us see if it starts. It has to start. By anything you cannot do it. Only through divine radiation you can do it. But I’ve seen horrible Kundalinis; I’ve seen doing this work. People are not aware of it: what we have done to harm ourselves? People are not aware and that’s why sometimes it takes time, doesn’t matter. As I have patience and love for you, please have patience for yourself because you are a seeker. You are a seeker of truth and that’s why I’m here.

刚才，让我们让昆达利尼感动。让我们看看它是否开始。它必须开始。通过任何你不能做到的事情。只有通过神圣的辐射，你才能做到。但我见过可怕的昆达利尼斯;我见过做这项工作。人们没有意识到这一点：我们做了什么来伤害自己？人们不知道，这就是为什么有时需要时间，无所谓。因为我有耐心和爱你，所以请耐心等待，因为你是一个寻求者。你是真理的追求者，这就是我在这里的原因。

Now please put your hands like this close your eyes. And you have to put your feet on the ground. The reason is that the Mother Earth sucks in lots of our problems. Now the people who are realized also can help Me, they are just like My hands. You have to also become My hands. But when they move their hands and all that you are not to get frightened of them. They are the people who are salvaging! They have to help you. If they know swimming they have to fetch you to the shores. They have to extend their hands to you. Don’t be frightened of them. Come on the shores and you are going to do the same thing. There is nothing to be frightened, we are not going to do anything, might be, they might feel, if you are realized or not. So, just put your hands like this.

现在请把你的双手放在眼睛上。你必须把脚放在地上。原因是地球母亲吸收了很多我们的问题。现在，自觉的人也可以帮助我，他们就像我的手。你也必须成为我的双手。但是当他们移动他们的手时，所有你不会被他们吓坏的。他们是打捞的人！他们必须帮助你。如果他们知道游泳，他们必须把你带到海岸。他们必须向你伸出双手。不要害怕他们。来到海岸，你会做同样的事情。没有什么可以吓到的，如果你意识到的话，我们不会做任何事，可能是，他们可能会感觉到。所以，就这样举手。

Now, you have to close your eyes. Close your eyes, please. But some cannot close their eyes because the eyelids will flicker. So, please open your eyes, in that case. If your eyes can be easily closed without any flickering, then keep them closed, that’s a very good sign.

现在，你必须闭上眼睛。请闭上你的眼睛。但有些人不能闭上眼睛，因为眼睑会闪烁。所以，在这种情况下，请睁开眼睛。如果您的眼睛可以轻松关闭而没有任何闪烁，那么请将它们关闭，这是一个非常好的迹象。

Now, if you feel anything like little shaking in the hands or anything like that, then open your eyes. Nothing extra should happen. If it happens, then open your eyes. Even if you feel heat in the hand, you will not feel much, but if you feel slightly even, which you think is little unbearable, then open your eyes.

现在，如果你觉得手上有什么小动摇或类似的东西，那就睁开眼睛吧。什么都不应该发生。如果它发生，那么睁开眼睛。即使你感觉到手上的热量，你也不会感觉到太多，但是如果你感觉有点均匀，你认为这有点难以忍受，那么睁开你的眼睛。

When you close your eyes, most of you will find you have no thoughts in your mind already. This is called as nirvichara samadhi, is called as thoughtless awareness. If this samadhi, if this state is achieved after thousands of years of meditation, as they say, is the most difficult thing, I agreed. But there could be someone for whom this could be only just a play.

当你闭上眼睛时，大多数人会发现你已经没有想过了。这被称为nirvichara samadhi，被称为无意识的意识。如果这个三摩地，如果这种状态是经过数千年的冥想自觉的，正如他们所说，是最困难的事情，我同意了。但是可能有人可能只是一场戏。

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi