19791015 How realisation should be allowed to develop 【觉醒应该如何深入】精译

How realisation should be allowed to develop, Public Program.
Caxton Hall, London, England. 15 October 1979.
如何令觉醒得到发展 公开讲座。
卡克斯顿霍尔，伦敦，英格兰。 1979年10月15日。

Most of you are Sahaja Yogis here.
这里你们大多数人都是霎哈嘉瑜伽士。

Now those who have got Realization, those who have felt the vibrations, must know that, they are now developing, into another being. The germination has started, and you must allow the germination to work out its own way. But normally, when we get realization also, we do not realize, that it is a tremendous thing that has happened within us. That this triggering, which is an impossibility, has taken place within us, and it has to work out slowly. It has to develop, and evolve us into that, and because we do not feel it, we do not take it that seriously as we should, our Realization.

现在，那些已经得到自觉的人，那些已经感受到生命能量的人必须知道，你们现在正发展成为另外一种存有。这种萌芽已经开始，你们必须允许这萌芽以其自身的方式成就。但是当我们得到自觉，通常来说，我们并没有意识到这是发生在我们内在的一件大事。这种不可能的触发，已经发生在我们身上了，而且它必须缓慢地运作起来。它必须使我们成长和进化。由于我们感觉不到我们的觉醒，我们没有以本应有的严肃认真去对待它。

Moreover, they are surrounded by people who have not felt the vibrations. They do not know this area, they have never seen it. As Guru Nanak has called it, it is Alakshya [scarcely visible]. They have not seen it, they don't know about it, they don't know there is a power of God that exists, which understands, coordinates, cooperates with you, which is working in the collective being, which makes aware, you aware of that collective being and of others also. This Alakshya, or we can call it Aparoksha [unperceptible], which is not seen by any one, which no one knows about. They talk about it, they talk about Kingdom of God. They talk about God's Powers, Divine Power. It's all talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. But once you are triggered into it, you have to grow into it. Unless and until you grow into it, you'll be dropped.

此外，我们周围还都是不能感受到生命能量的人。他们不知道这个领域，他们从未见过。就像导师那纳克（Guru Nanaka）所说：Alakya（几乎不可见），他们没有见过，也不了解，并不知道有一种神的力量存在，这种力量能理解、协调、并配合你们，它在集体存有（collective being）中运作，让你们感知到集体存有和其它存有。我们可称之为不可见的（Alakhya）或者无形的（Aparoksha），意思是没有人看见过，也没有人了解。人们谈论它，谈论神的国度，谈论神的力量，上天的力量。所有的都是谈论、谈论、谈论。但一旦你们受触发而进入了它，你们必须有所成长。除非你们成长进入它（神的国度），否则你们会被抛弃。

Specially for people who have come, from fake Gurus and from false things that they have been following, they don't know how terrible these things are. Like you are on a crocodile, and suddenly you discover it's a crocodile, how fast you would run from that? But even the understanding that it is a crocodile and it is going to eat you off, doesn't come up so easily. So this one doesn't realize also, as you do not realize that triggering which is the most difficult thing has happened to you, it is difficult. But it has happened to you, you know why it has happened. You take that one for granted and also you take the devils for granted. At least don't take the devils for granted. Run away from them as soon as possible. Meditate meditate, and try to establish yourself, in the realm of Divine Love.

特别是那些追谁过假导师和假事物的人，他们不知道这些假东西有多可怕。就像你们坐在一条鳄鱼上，突然你们发现那是一条鳄鱼，你们会以多快的速度逃走？但是，哪怕只是知道那是一条鳄鱼，它会把你们吃掉，都没那么容易。因此，这个人也并不能意识到(自己站在一条鳄鱼上)，如同你们不能意识到那个内在的触发一样。这最困难的事情已发生在你们身上，这些是困难的，但已经发生在你们身上。你们要知道这为什么会发生。你们认为这是理所当然的，你们也理所当然地接受恶魔。至少不要理所当然地接受恶魔。应尽快远离它们。然后冥想，冥想，尽量让自己立足于上天爱的国度里。

I say it is Divine Love. You can not understand what is Divine Love is. You cannot understand any human being who loves you only for love's sake. Just because that person loves you, he goes on loving because he enjoys that loving. In Sanskrit it is called avyaja [natural; simple], that there is no interest, avyaja, it's just flowing. Even when it corrects you, it corrects you in love. And the protection of Divine Love is the only way you are, germinating. That love gives you that warmth needed, that strength needed, that confidence needed. Everything is given to you by that Divine Love.

我说这是上天的爱。你们不能理解什么是上天的爱。你们不能理解有人爱你们只是出于爱，只是因为那个人爱你们。祂一直在爱着你们，因为祂享受爱。在梵文中这被称为“avraja”…即没有利益关系，只有爱在流动。即使当这种爱要纠正你们，也是以爱的方式纠正。上天爱的保护是你们的自觉萌芽生长的唯一通道。这种爱赐予你们所需的温暖，赐予你们所需的力量，赐予你们所需的自信。一切都由上天的爱赐予你们。

So, one has to realize that it is love, and love, and love is the basis of all this creation. God has created this world, this universe, only because He loved, and He wants to bestow this blessing on you because He loves you. But how far you love yourself is the problem. How far you understand yourself is the problem. You do not evaluate yourself, and that is the reason why, though the Kundalini has risen, and you have got realization, your vibrations are flowing, the growth is very slow. Because attention has been outside, and even after realization it is outside. Sometimes it is sucked in, again it goes outside. Then we do not change our old habits at all. We go on sticking to those old habits. Our structure of life, our styles of thinking, continue to be the same. Again we find ourselves lost into the same shambles.

因此，你们必须意识到，那是爱，爱是一切创造的基础。神创造了这个世界、这个宇宙，只是因为祂爱你们，祂想要赐予你们祂的祝福，是因为祂爱你们。但问题在于你们爱你们自己有多少，你们对自己的了解有多深。你们没有进行自我评估，这就是虽然灵量已经升起，你们已经得到了自觉，你们的生命能量在流动，但成长还是非常缓慢的原因所在。因为注意力一直在外面，就算自觉后依然在外面。有时它被吸入内在，然后再次走向外面。此外，我们根本没有改变我们的旧习性。继续沿袭这些旧习性。我们的生活结构、思维方式仍然照旧。我们再次发现自己迷失在同样的摇摆不定中。

Now Sahaja Yoga gives you Realization, alright, but also it gives you a long rope to hang yourself, if you do not pay heed to yourself and to your being, if you don't love yourself, and understand that you are the instrument of God by which for the first time you are going to give Realization to people, you are going to save people from getting drowned, and this is the first time you are made like that. This capability you never had and no human beings have, which you have got now today.

现在，霎哈嘉瑜伽给予你们自觉，它也给你很长的一条绳子去悬护你自己。（译注：指攀岩时背吊的安全绳）。如果你们对自己和你们的存有掉以轻心，如果你们不爱自己，不明白你们是神的工具——籍由此，你们将第一次给予人们自觉，去拯救人们免于溺亡，第一次你们被创造成这样。你们今天所获得的这种能力，你们从前不曾拥有过，也没有人类曾拥有过。

Very few people had this capability – very, very few people. But now you have got that capacity, and you do not want to evaluate yourself how important it is. If you could realize, then you would work it out, allow the blossoming to come up. On the contrary I find, today because you are all Sahaja Yogis I can talk to you like this, normally it is about Kundalini and all that, but I find that, you do not see the movements of your Kundalini. If you try to understand that She's the one who loves you the most, because She is your individual Mother and, if you try to follow Her you will see, that She's suggesting where is the problem with you, what you have to correct, what you have to do. Because She wants to perfect you. She wants to help you.

很少人有这种能力，很少很少人。而现在你们现在拥有了这种能力，你们却不想去评估这种能力是有多么重要。如果你们能意识到这一点，那么你们会把它成就出来，让它如花绽放出来！然而，虽然你们全都是霎哈嘉瑜伽士，我可以这样向你们讲述通常都是关于灵量之类的知识，但我却发现你们并没有觉察到自己灵量的运作。如果试着去理解，祂是最爱你们的，因为祂是你们每个人的母亲，如果你们试着跟随祂，你们会明白祂正在暗示：你们内在哪里出了问题？你们必须改正些什么？你们必须做些什么？因为祂想要让你们更完美，祂想帮助你们。

So if you start watching it, carefully, with love, with understanding- She's very playful, extremely sweet, full of beautiful plays like a little child. She will tickle you here and there, call for your attention. She doesn't trouble you. You have to be just alert about Her, and She really matures you. You have seen people with time how they have matured. But you have to pay attention, to Her and to yourself, otherwise what is your value, without enlightenment? 

因此，如果你们开始以爱和理解来关注祂，就能发现 - 祂非常爱玩耍，极其甜美。像个小孩子一样富于各种美妙的游戏。祂处处逗你们开心，想引起你们的注意，祂并不会打扰你们。对祂你们只要保持警觉，祂真正会使你们成熟起来。你们已经看见随着时间的推移人们是怎样成熟起来。但是你们必须把注意力放在祂和你们自己身上，否则没有开悟，你们有什么价值呢？

What is the value of a human being without enlightenment? What is the use of having human beings if they are not enlightened? What is the use of this instrument if it is not put to the mains? The rest is all useless, isn't it? And it is you who have to, raise the people. You have to enlighten the people, as we have some gas lights, you see. A man runs up to the gas lights to lighten them. He only has the power or capacity to do it. So he runs up the street, lightening all the gas lights. It is he who has to do, he is appointed for that.

没有开悟，一个人有什么价值呢？如果人类没有开悟，有什么用呢？一个设备，如果不把它接入主电源，它有什么用呢，部件都是无用的，对吗？因此，你们应去提升人们，如同我们有一些煤气灯，应去照亮人们。一个人跑到煤气灯那里，点亮这些灯。唯有他才有能力和力量去点亮这些灯，于是他跑到街上，点亮所有的煤气灯。必须由他去做这些，他是被任命来做此事的。

Sahaja Yogis must realize what is their value, what have you made out of Sahaja Yoga, how many people have you saved, how many people you have helped. Instead of your own problems are so many and you are creating problems for others by talking, by discussing, by arguing. You can not discuss it out. You must know. You can not argue it out, it has to work by itself. By arguing, discussing, fussing, judging, confusing yourself, you create a problem for your Kundalini to work it out. Are you not seeking your Spirit? Are you not worried about the salvation of your own Spirit? If so, what are you doing about it? That's the most important thing. 

霎哈嘉瑜伽士必须认识到自己的价值。你们在霎哈嘉瑜伽中成就了什么？你们拯救了多少人，你们帮助了多少人？尽管你们自身的问题很多，你们却通过谈话、讨论、和争论还给他人制造了问题。讨论是成就不了的，你们必须知道，你们无法通过争论来成事。这必须依靠灵量自身的运作。通过争论、讨论、小题大做、审判，让你自己迷惑，你们给灵量的工作制造了麻烦。你们不是在追寻自己的灵吗？你们不是担心自己灵的救赎吗？如果是这样，你们正在对灵做些什么？这才是最重要的事情。

I think everybody realizes this, that only achieving Self Realization is not the end of it, because it's just the sprouting that has started. You have to go further, you have to have compassion for others who haven't got it as yet. You have to think about them, you have to give it to them, work it out, put all your minds to it. But still I find people are busy with other things. They go back into the same circle. You should be busy, I don't say that you should not do something for your living, you have to do it.

我想每个人都会意识到：只得到自觉并不是终点。因为自觉仅仅是刚刚开始萌芽。你们必须走得更远，你们必须对那些还没得自觉的人心怀慈悲。你们必须想到他们，你们必须给予他们自觉，全心全意地去做。但我发现人们仍然忙于别的事情。他们回到原来的生活轨道。你们可以忙碌，我不是说你们不应该为你们的生活做事，你们得做。

This is one thing very important for us to know, that we have to work it out. We have to allow it to grow within ourselves. But I mean if you say that, “Mother, we have all faith in You, that's all.” That's not sufficient. What faith do you have? What do you mean by “faith”? It is such a vague term, what is faith after all? Have you ever analyzed the word “faith”?

让自觉在内在成长起来---这是一件我们必须知道的非常重要的事情，我们得把它成就出来。但如果你们说：“母亲，我们对您有完全的信心”，就这。那是不够的，你们有什么信心？你们所说的信心是什么？它是一个如此模糊的术语。信心究竟是什么？你们分析过“信心”这个词吗？

Some people think that: “We have all faith in Mother. If we sing Her praise, finished”. For that, one has to reach a certain stage, like Adi Shankaracharya had reached. Have you got faith in yourself, is the point. Who is having faith in Me? Is the one who has no faith in oneself. You have to have faith in yourself and in all your fellow being, all this other Sahaja Yogis. 

有些人认为“我们对母亲有完全的信心，唱母亲的拜赞，这就够了”。---要做到这点，一个人必须达到像商羯罗（Adi Shankaracharya）大师那样的境界。（而你们还未达到，因此是不够的）。重点是你们对自己是否有信心。谁对我有信心？是那些对自己没有信心的人。你们必须对自己有信心，对你们的同伴有信心，对其他霎哈嘉瑜伽士有信心。

I have already told you that Sahaja Yoga is not going to work out individually. Anybody who thinks that, “I am something greater than the others” is a gone case. Nobody should work Sahaja Yoga for oneself in that way. You have to work collectively for every one of them. Any one of you who thinks that you have something higher than the others have, you are sadly mistaken. It's like one eye saying that, “I am higher than the other”, or one nose saying, “I am higher than the eyes.” Everything has its own place in the body of Virata, and everybody is so important, as well as, dispensable.

我已经告诉过你们，霎哈嘉瑜伽不是靠个体来成就的。任何认为自己比别人更伟大的人，都是不可救药的。没有人能为了自己以这种方式在霎哈嘉工作。你们必须集体地做事，为每一个成员做事。你们中的任何人认为自己比其他人更高等，那么他是大错特错。那就像一只眼睛说我比另一只眼睛高等，或者鼻子说我比眼睛高等。在宇宙大我（Virata）的身体里，每样事物都有其位置。每个人都非常重要，同时也 - 可有可无。

You know what happens in Sahaja Yoga very common in India, not so much here, I mean Indians do this way. They have certain very good points like, I mean wherever I go I find them very much matured and very much developed, because they are not such thinkers as you are. You are great thinkers, visionaries, intellectuals, you see. And I was thinking all the intellectuals will be developing a horn here like this after some time [Shri Mataji laughs], and when you see them you'll know that these intellectuals who are denouncing God and denouncing all His ways. They are not intellectuals I would say, to that extent. 

你们知道在印度，霎哈嘉瑜伽里很常见的事情（译注：应该是指谦卑不自大），在这里却并不多见。印度人会是这样，他们有非常好的优点，就像无论什么时候我去那里，我发现他们都非常成熟，进展良好，因为他们并非像你们那样善于思考。你们是大思想家、幻想家和知识分子。我在想在一段时间后，所有知识分子一段时间后都在这里长出了犄角，就像这样，当你们看到他们，你们就会明白这些所谓的知识子 -- 他们爱指责神和指责祂的所有做法。从这个意义上来讲，我想说，他们并不是知识分子.

But they fail in certain things, while you fail in certain things. They always had this kind of a thing that somebody came up, like a one man, he said, “No, I am something great,” you see. Then, he says, “I am this, I am that.” Goes on with this kind of harping, and he shows down other people. And then suddenly, such a person is brought down, and the people are shocked. “Mother, how- what happened?” 

当然，他们在某些事情上失败，而你们在另一些事情上失败。总会有这种事情：有人出来，例如一个男人，他说：不，我是伟大的，我是这样，我是那样。他喋喋不休地说，还贬低其他人。然后突然间，这个人倒下了，人们感到震惊。母亲，发生什么了？

You cannot, you see if you have to even pull a dead carpet like that, you can not pull one side of it, you have to carry the whole. Only one person can not shoot off, in the whole game. Now you take My position. Yes I know I have all the powers, everything is there of course. I am supposed to be, much higher and all that – supposed to be, I should say. But confronting you, I have to come down, I have to fight the way with you up the hill. Every step, we have to go together hand in hand. You know that.

你们不能 --- 你看，如果你们要拉住一张铺开的地毯，你们不能只拉住它的一边，你们必须拉住整张地毯。只有一个人不能上演整出戏剧，现在你们站在我的立场。是的，我知道自己拥有所有的力量，当然一切都在那里，我应该是更高的，我是说本应是。但是，面对你们，我必须下来，我要和你们一路奋战到达山顶。每一步我们都必须手牵手，携手共进。你懂的。

Somebody's some chakras are catching. All right so I put My Chakra into play. It works out. It works out that way, but you know that how much I have to struggle, how much I have to work hard. It's a task, giving Realization.

有人的某些轮穴受到感染，没问题，我把我的轮穴放入运作，让它来成就。然后感染的问题被解决了，就是以那样的方式去解决。但是你们知道我要多费劲？我要多努力地工作？给他人自觉是一项使命。

My Kundalini doesn't need anything, you know that, but still She has to carry your heavy kundalini on Herself and, raise it. It's a very heavy thing. Only a Person of real love can do that, that's the only criteria. The one who does not have love, cannot do it. It is too much a thing to do. The whole body vibrating, every center vibrating, it's not easy. But it's just the love, the compassion between you and Me, which soothes Me, which covers all the tasks and the labour and the thing that I have to put in. And sometimes it's such a wasteful thing I feel about some people. It is such a waste with them, but still the love, that has brought us together, gives that soothing feeling, and you feel so cheerful, every morning you get up with a new fragrance within yourself, feeling so happy about it.

我的灵量并不需要任何东西，你们是知道的，但是它仍要背负着你们沉重的灵量，把它提升起来。那是一件非常沉重的事情，只有拥有真爱的人才能做到。那是唯一的条件。没有爱的人做不到。这需要太多太多的付出。整个身体都在发送生命能量，每个能量中心在发送生命能量，这并不容易。但正是你们和我之间的爱和慈悲，抚慰了我，足以抵偿所有的劳累、辛苦、和我所投入的一切。有时我感到对于某些人，这样做纯属浪费，用在他们身上是如此地浪费，但依然是爱把我们带到一起，给到抚慰的感觉，让你们感到格外快乐。每天清晨你们醒来，你们内在散发着一种清新的芬芳，你们会感到非常的幸福。

So be careful in dealing with people, you have to deal with love, not with criticism or in any way showing them down in any - when you are not any way higher than anyone, then there is no reason it should be done like that. If you are getting any way higher, you are helping the Collective Being, but in that, if you are feeling that you are higher than others you are again coming down because you are pulling down the Collective Being. If you put down anyone, or condemn anyone like that, then you are putting down that person. And, you should not also correct, because I am there to correct. It's not easy to correct others, you may hurt them. You don't know even the ways of correcting people. Unless and until you have those powerful vibrations which are emitting from your being just love, then you can do it.

所以与人相处时要谨慎，你们必须以爱待人，而不是用批评，或者以任何方式贬低对方。事实是 - 任何情况下你都不比别人高等，因此你们没理由那样做。如果你们正提升得更高，那么你们是在帮助集体的存有；但你如果由此而觉得自己比他人更高级，那你会再次跌下来，因为你们正在拉低集体的存有。如果你们批评任何人，或指责任何人，那么你们就是在贬低那个人。

同样，（对于有缺点的人）你们也不应该去纠正，因为有我在这里纠正。纠正他人不容易，你们可能会伤害他们。你们甚至并不知道纠正他人的方法。除非从你存有里你有散发出来的强大生命能量 - 即是爱，你才可以纠正他人。

Because of a ego-oriented society, we are very good at hurting others. We dominate others. We don't even know that we are dominating others. There are so many ways, I've learned in this country we have, by which we dominate, in a very subtle way. We talk to people, in such a way that we are dominating them. Do we ever think, sit down, how are we going to talk to others, suggesting our love to them?

在一个自我导向的社会，我们非常擅长伤害他人。你们控制他人，甚至不知道自己是在控制他人。我已经了解到在这个国家有如此多的控制方式，人们以一种非常精微的方式进行控制。我们以控制的方式对他人说话。我们是否曾经坐下来想过：我们要如何和别人交谈，向他们表达我们的爱呢？

I'll tell you again and again that Sahaja Yoga is nothing but love, love, love. How much you love others is the main point. Despising, criticizing, is not good. Yesterday, you were just the same, today you are better off, you are going to be better off still. Of course, some people who are very heavy, who very troublesome, you should tell them plainly that: “Sorry sir, you are very negative, we can't bear you.” There are some cunning people also who may come in and try to trouble you. To a point is all right, then you have to tell them off that: “We are sorry.” But even to judge whether a person is negative or what sort of a thing he is doing, you are just thinking about it, you are rationalizing – not through rationality, but through vibrations. Because rationality, a person may appear to be a very nice person, may be, or a lady coming in, see, and the lady will be a terrible stuff.

我会反复地告诉你们——霎哈嘉瑜伽只是爱，爱，爱。你们有多爱别人才是关键点。轻视、批评是不好的。昨天你们还是照旧，今天你们会好些，你们还会变得更好。当然对于有些很难相处，或者诸多麻烦的人，你们应当清楚地告诉他们：对不起，先生，你们很负面，我们不能忍受。或许也有某些狡猾的人进来找你们麻烦，一定程度上还可以（容忍），然后你们必须告诉他们：我们很抱歉(你们得离开)。但是，就连判断一个人是否负面，他正在做的事情怎么样，你们也只是通过思维，通过理性分析来进行。不要通过理性思维，而是要通过生命能量来判断。 因为通过理性看，一个人可能看起来很不错，就如一位（看着不错的）女士来到这里，但她可能是一个可怕的东西。

So how much you meditate means how much you love. When you think of others, think how much you love them, just try to think how beautiful it is. If it is not love, it is hatred. It's like a scorching heat you see, which will completely take away all the beauty, the smoothness, of your heart.

所以，你们入静的多少意味着你们爱的多少。当你们想起别人，想想你们有多么爱他们，试着去想一想这是多么美好！如果那不是爱，而是仇恨，这就像一股灼人的热浪，你们知道，那将会彻底带走你们心中所有的美丽和柔顺。

Only through love, Sahaja Yoga is going to spread. All these years you have seen the powers of hatred. You have seen how people hate, how they talk about each other, how they treat each other. There's no tenderness about them, there's no kindness about them, how sharp they are with each other. You have to change all that now. You have to create a world of people who love each other, for nothing: not for money, not for positions, not for beauty, not for sex, only for love's sake, only because, you have been blessed by love.

只有通过爱，霎哈嘉瑜伽才会传播。这么多年来你们已经看到了仇恨的力量。你们已经看到人们是怎样以仇恨相待的。他们是怎样谈论和对待彼此的？他们彼此之间没有温柔，没有友善，他们彼此都很尖锐尖刻。你们现在必须改变这一切。你们必须创造人们彼此相爱的世界，不为别的任何事情。不为金钱，不为地位，不为美貌，不为性。只是为了爱。只因你们已经得到爱的祝福。

From next time we'll be advertising and there will be many more coming who are new people to Sahaja Yoga. And I am sure it is going to increase. But I have told you that all of you must find out how many people you can bring in yourself and work out. I must say Jim has done a good job, very good job. I'm very proud of him. He has gone and done such a lot of things, and single-handed he has worked it out, fighting such a horrible monster there, but he's done it. All of you must support him, and also such people who want to do something.

从下次开始，我们将做宣传，更多新人会进入霎哈嘉瑜伽，而且我确信人数还会增加。但我告诉过你们，你们所有人要弄清楚自己可以带多少人进来，并让他们有所进展。我要说，吉姆做得很好，非常出色。我为他感到自豪。他已经去做了很多事情，他独自一人去开展工作，在那里与可怕的魔怪作战，但是他做到了。你们所有人都必须支持他，还要支持那些想做事情的人。

Put your mind to something like that. All the time we are thinking about jobs, this, that, that. This is a very precious time which should not be lost. All our lives we have done jobs, earning money, marrying, having children and dying. This lifetime, let us do something special, for which this whole universe was created. Open the gates of heavens for the rest of the people. You have to be assiduous. There's no compulsion in Sahaja Yoga you know that very well. There's no timing for it. There's no forcing for it, because I say it is love. If you do not want to do it, nobody is going to force you.

把你们的心思放在（传播霎哈嘉）这样的事情上。我们一直在考虑工作，考虑这个，考虑那个。这是一段不容错过的宝贵时光。我们一世又一世的生命都在忙于工作、赚钱、结婚、生子，然后死去。这一世，让我们做一些特别的事情 - 整个宇宙都是为此而创造的：去为其他人打开天堂之门，且你们必须要勤勉。你们很清楚，在霎哈嘉瑜伽里没有强制，也没有时间设定。没有强迫，因为我说过它是爱。如果你们不想做，没有人会强迫你们。

But, as I said, Sahaja Yoga gives a very long rope to hang yourself, till you go into illusions completely and you wouldn't even know that you have lost all your vibrations. It is to that extent.

但正如我所说，霎哈嘉瑜伽给你们长长的绳子去吊护你自己（译注：攀岩时的保护吊绳），直到你们完全进入幻象，你们才会知道自己已经失去了所有生命能量，会到那样的程度。

If we have entered into something which was unprecedented, we have to take the ways which are unprecedented. You cannot go about with the ways that you have had before. You have to change your methods. Judge every action of yours through love. How much sacrifice you can make for others? What can you sacrifice for others? What service can you do for others? Sahaja Yogis I am saying. There is no sacrifice in it. If you see it, what is the sacrifice? It is love.

如果我们已经进入了前所未有的阶段，那么我们所采取的方式也必须是前所未有的。你们不能再使用你们之前所使用的方法。你们必须改变你们的方法，通过爱来判断你们的每一个行动。你们可以为别人做出多少牺牲呢？你们能为别人牺牲什么呢？你们能为别人提供什么服务呢？霎哈嘉瑜伽士们，我说的是这里不存在牺牲。如果你们明白，那么哪有什么牺牲？那就是爱。

If you love someone, and you want to take say, a rose for a person, and you go to the market, with great difficulty you get the rose. When you get it you feel happy. But then you get the thorn in the finger, still you don't mind. It's bleeding, doesn't matter. Then, you are just waiting to see the person there. And when you see the person, you forget all that is gone in between, and you give that rose just to express yourself, symbolically. And how happy you feel that you have been able to give that rose to that person. This we do everyday in our life. But in Sahaja Yoga, you do it without even knowing it. It's happening.

如果你们爱某人，比如说，你们想为那个人带一枝玫瑰。你们去到市场，费了很大劲你们得到了玫瑰。当你们得到它时你们感到很开心。但后来你们的手指被刺到了，你们依然不介意，流血了，没有关系。你们只是期待着看见他，当你们看到那个人，你们忘掉期间所发生的一切，你们送玫瑰只是为了象征性地表达你们自己。你们觉得能够送给那个人玫瑰，是多么开心啊！在我们的生活中每天都在做着这样的事情。而在霎哈嘉瑜伽里，你们不知不觉就做了，这些事情就发生了。

You are transmitters. Everywhere you are sitting in meditation you are transmitting vibrations, do you know that? At that time if you are thinking, say of your jobs and your other things which you have been thinking before, the transmission is poorer. Think of love, think of the whole country, think of the whole world at that time. You are transmitters of these, waves of love, and love will flow from you.

你们是传送者。你们知道吗？当你们坐在任何地方进入冥想状态，你们都是在散发生命能量。在冥想时，如果你们在想着自己的工作或以前一直在思考的事情，那么这种散发就会变得比较弱。冥想时，要想着爱，想着整个国家，整个世界，你们就是爱之波浪的传送者，爱因你们而流动。

I told you once that you are made in the form of Ganesha, and that's what you have to do. You know there are vibrations from you coming out, you are sending vibrations out, you know that. That means you are like any deity which is thrown out of the Mother's, I mean Earth's, womb, and a big temple is raised, and thousands of people go to worship that. And they say it is a temple of a Jagrut Devta, means a person – jagrut means enlightened, awakened. And that's just, a stone, a stone that comes out and people build a temple on top of that and go there and worship that, while there are so many already sitting here, so many jagrut, Realized souls. These are living, these are moving, they are understanding, they maneuver. The stones only emit vibrations, to clear the atmosphere, but you, you can raise the Kundalini. They can not raise the Kundalini, you can. And what are you doing about it? Such a precious thing you have got.

我曾经告诉你们，你们是照着格涅沙的样子被创造出来的，（传送能量）也是你们要去做的。你们知道，生命能量从你们身上散发出来。你们在散发生命能量，这是你们知道的。这意味着你们就像从大地之母的子宫抛出的神祇那样（译注：指天然圣石），一座大的寺庙为此平地而起，成千上万的人前去敬拜。他们说，这是一个Jagrut Devata的寺庙，“Jagrut”意思是开悟的，觉醒的，其实那只是一块石头，一块自地而起的天然圣石，人们在它上面建起一座寺庙，然后去那里敬拜它。现在，很多很多的Jagrut - 自觉的灵，已经坐在这里了，都是活生生的，可移动的，他们有理解力，能娴熟操控。圣石只会散发出生命能量来洁净气场，但你们可以提升灵量。石头不能提升灵量，你们可以。你们得到了如此宝贵的东西，你们做了什么？

What are you doing about it? Is it because there is no business with it, that we are taking it so slowly? Supposing it's an enterprise, then everybody would be up and doing. Is it? We have to change our ways and methods of understanding. The reward of God is thousand-fold, than any enterprise can bestow upon you. When He blesses you, you wouldn't even have words to thank Him, to that extent He goes. Are we depending on Him or on our own old ways? We have to change very much, we have to transform ourselves into new style of thinking. It is very, very important. 

你们用它做了什么？是因为这不是一个生意，所以我们进展这么慢吗？假设这是一个企业，那么每个人都会来做事，是吗？我们必须改变我们的理解方式和方法。上帝的奖赏是千万倍，比起任何企业能给你的。当他祝福你时，你甚至都无法用言语来感谢他，去到那种程度。我们是依靠祂，还是走老路？我们必须大大地改变自己，必须转化自己，进入一种新的思维方式。那是非常非常重要的。

I hope you'll think about it, what I have talked to you today. Don't take to life which has not brought any happiness to you. You have your friends who are Sahaja Yogis. Change your friends. Change your methods of life. You'll enjoy much more.

我希望你们会思考我今天对你们所说的。不要过着一种不能带给你们任何幸福的生活。你们的朋友应是霎哈嘉瑜伽士。改换你们的朋友。改变你们的生活方式。你们会享受更多。

This is for you to understand about yourself and about the importance of Sahaja Yoga is. Unless and until it is an enterprise, nobody takes it up seriously. This is the style of Western thinking. It has to be, whether it is hocus-pocus or real enterprise, doesn't matter, as long as there is money exchanges, everybody is up, and doing . But when it comes to Sahaja Yoga, they have no time, even to meditate, because we have not yet loved, we have not felt that love within ourselves. I wish you could all feel that depth of love. Then you would go all out to work it out for yourself and for others.

这是为了让你们去理解自己和霎哈嘉瑜伽的重要性。除非它成为一项企业经营，否则没有人会认真对待它。这是西方的思维方式，它必须——这到底是骗人的还是真正的企业经营，都不重要，只要是金钱交易，大家都会行动起来。但是，当提到霎哈嘉瑜伽，他们就会没有时间，甚至连冥想也没有时间。因为我们还没有爱，我们还没有在内在感受到那种爱。我希望你们都能感受到那种爱的深度。然后，你们就会为了自己和他人全力以赴行动起来。

May God Bless You.
愿神祝福你们。

===QUESTION AND ANSWER===
问答环节

I would like to have some questions from you, Sahaja Yogis, if possible. But somebody should try to give him, he can get it in no time, Realization. [Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi]

如果可能的话，我想向您提出一些问题，Sahaja Yogis。但是有人应该试着给他，他可以立刻得到它，Realization。 [Shri Mataji用印地语讲话]

Is there any question? Ask Me - anything practical. Because we have very few new people today we can just have a very nice chat.

有什么问题吗？问我 - 任何实用的东西。因为我们今天的新人很少，所以我们可以聊聊天。

Lady: Would you explain to me about sometimes, when people say if you put your legs out like that it's just not good and you should have them underneath– what's wrong? I mean if it's not a sexual tantalization or something, what's wrong with having your legs just stretching out in front of you?

女士：有时候你会向我解释一下，当人们说你把你的腿伸出来时它只是不好而且你应该让它们在下面 - 出了什么问题？我的意思是，如果它不是性诱惑或某种东西，你的腿伸展在你面前有什么不对？

Shri Mataji: In front of Me? Will you do to the Queen-

锡吕.玛塔吉：在我面前？你会对女王做什么 -

Lady: No, no, I'm sorry.

女士：不，不，我很抱歉。

Shri Mataji: Non, no, what I am saying, will you do to the Queen of England?

锡吕.玛塔吉：不，不，我在说什么，你会对英国女王做什么？

Lady: No, no, if you are alone, now what happens?

女士：不，不，如果你一个人，现在会发生什么？

Shri Mataji: Hum?

锡吕玛塔吉：嗯？

Lady: I don't mean if somebody's there.

女士：我不是说有人在那里。

Shri Mataji: Before My photograph? Will you spit at –

锡吕.玛塔吉：我的照片之前？你会吐 -

Lady: When you sit to meditate.

女士：当你坐下来打坐。

Shri Mataji: No, no what I'm saying if your Queen's photograph is there will you spit at her?

锡吕.玛塔吉：不，如果你的女王的照片在那里你不会对她吐痰

Lady: Is that a spit?

女士：这是吐痰吗？

Shri Mataji: Yes, it is! It is an insult. Putting your feet towards somebody is an insult. Is a common thing!

锡吕.玛塔吉：是的，它是！这是一种侮辱。把脚放在某人身上是一种侮辱。是一件很平常的事！

Lady: Is it only a custom in India?

女士：这只是印度的风俗吗？

Shri Mataji: No, no it is a custom everywhere in the whole world. You have lost all your traditions, doesn't mean that there were no such traditions of putting away feet on somebody. Imagine, somebody coming down to see you, somebody whom you have to respect, you put your feet up? I mean, anybody can understand, even a child understands this.

锡吕.玛塔吉：不，不是全世界到处都是习俗。你已经失去了所有的传统，并不意味着没有这样的传统可以将脚踩在某人身上。想象一下，有人下来见你，有人要尊重你，你站起来了吗？我的意思是，任何人都可以理解，即使是孩子也明白这一点。

You see the sense of our respect has come to us from inside, not from outside. It's not rationality. It has come to us from our unconscious. We know how we respect. Say somebody would say that, “What's wrong in talking like this to someone?” You see. Supposing somebody says, now you know that, even a child knows if he is talking to elders, he'll put down his head.

你看到我们的尊重感来自内心，而不是来自外界。这不是理性。它来自我们的无意识。我们知道我们如何尊重。比如有人会说，“这样对某人说话有什么不对？”你看。假设有人说，现在你知道，即使一个孩子知道他是否在和老人说话，他也会放下他的头。

But here, you see everybody is so abnormal. You don't know how to do everything because everything is rationalized, you see. Tomorrow, you might say, “What's wrong if I stand on my head?” I mean do it, but that's not the way. There are certain normal ways of protocol, of praying. How do you pray in the church? Imagine, in the church you go and sit with both your feet towards the priest. What will he say? “Put down your feet!”

但在这里，你看到每个人都是如此不正常。你知道，你不知道如何做所有事情，因为一切都是合理的。明天，你可能会说，“如果我站在我的头上怎么了？”我的意思是这样做，但那不是那样的。有一些正常的协议方式，祈祷。你怎么在教堂里祷告？想象一下，在教堂里，你要双脚坐向牧师。他会说什么？ “放下你的脚！”

These things are innate within us. Human beings know already lots of things.

这些东西在我们内心是天生的。人类已经知道了许多事情。

They are not animals. They know lots of things already. You don't know how many things are built in you. In a very beautiful way in your understanding, as a human being, you know so many things. Nowhere in the world you'll find anybody putting up their feet before anyone whom you respect. It's not a sign of respect.

他们不是动物。他们已经了解很多东西。你不知道你有多少东西。在你理解的非常美好的方式中，作为一个人，你知道很多事情。在世界上任何地方，你都会发现有人在你尊重的人面前站起来。这不是尊重的标志。

There's no question of India or anything. Only thing in India, people have yet preserved all their sense of respect. In other places, they have so rationalized and so ego-oriented that they have no respect for anyone whatsoever.

毫无疑问是印度或其他什么。只有在印度，人们才能保持他们所有的尊重感。在其他地方，他们是如此理性化，如此自我导向，以至于他们不尊重任何人。

Lady: You take it only as a sign of respect – supposing that somebody is sitting alone and they don't have Your picture or they don't have anything, is it all right to stretch their legs?

女士：你认为它只是作为尊重的标志 - 假设有人独自坐着，他们没有你的照片，或者他们没有任何东西，是否可以伸展双腿？

Shri Mataji: Then it's all right. I mean, you see it is-

锡吕.玛塔吉：那没关系。我的意思是，你看到它是 -

Lady: Somebody said that if you put your legs out it's creating some bad energy or something. That's why I wanted to check.

女士：有人说，如果你把腿伸出来，就会产生一些不好的能量。这就是我想检查的原因。

Shri Mataji: No, no not that way, not losing energy. I was just thinking about stretching the feet before somebody whom you respect. Say, My Photograph is there or I am there. Now, you respect Me. Isn't it? Then you will not like to sit with the feet. That's what I'm trying to say. But, you see, losing energy and all that is not there at all. Who told you that? That's not. You sleep like that. You don't sleep with the feet on the ground. How can it be? If anybody says that, you should not take it for granted. You see I think all this is not so important also. Even you sleep, how do you sleep? I mean, it is so simple and natural.

锡吕.玛塔吉：不，不，不是那样，不会失去能量。我只是想在你尊重的人面前伸展双脚。说，我的照片在那里或我在那里。现在，你尊重我。不是吗？那你就不喜欢和脚坐在一起了。这就是我想说的。但是，你看，失去能量和所有根本不存在的东西。谁告诉你的？那不是。你这样睡觉你不要脚在地上睡觉。怎么会这样？如果有人这么说，你不应该把它视为理所当然。你看，我认为这一切也不是那么重要。即使你睡觉，你怎么睡觉？我的意思是，它是如此简单和自然。

You know this is what happening with rationality. See, very simple things become so funny that you, I don't know what to say. That's why I said a horn will be growing from here, all of you intellectuals. You'll be having a big horn coming out so people will know – all right, all right, we know these people. Nobody will face them. You see, this so simple. Because you are so complicated, all simple things look so horrid. Is a question of respect and is a question of – If you are sleeping, of course you stretch your feet like that, straight. It's all right. While you sit down, you can sit like that, there's no harm. You need not be cross-legged all the time. It's not necessary. If you are doing some sort of a exercise or something, you can be like that.

你知道这是理性发生的事情。看，非常简单的事情变得如此有趣，你，我不知道该说些什么。这就是为什么我说一个号角将从这里成长，你们所有的知识分子。你会有一个大角出来让人们知道 - 好吧，好吧，我们认识这些人。没有人会面对他们。你看，这很简单。因为你是如此复杂，所有简单的事情看起来都很可怕。这是一个尊重的问题，也是一个问题 - 如果你正在睡觉，当然你会伸直你的脚，直。没关系。当你坐下时，你可以这样坐着，没有任何伤害。你不需要一直盘腿而坐。这不是必需的。如果你正在进行某种运动或其他什么，你就可以这样。

But everything, now say, for example, you have got hands. Now this is for many purposes, all right? It is for taking vibrations, it is for eating, it is for scratching. Now, if you are eating at that time if you want to scratch, now what to do? It's a question like that. See whatever you have to do, you do at that right time, with the way you want to do. If you need your feet for something – running, you should run. When you have to sit down, you should sit down. When you have to sleep you must sleep. I mean this is normal. Sahaja Yogis does not mean that you should cut your noses. No, it doesn't mean that. It means you have to be more beautiful. It doesn't matter, you see even if you bend ten times, but it does matter if you pull back yourself, even once. Doesn't matter, to be humble, to be more humble and more humble, is so sweet and good. You see, makes you more cultured, more harmonious and beautiful.

但是，现在所说的一切，例如，你已经掌握了。现在这有很多用途，好吗？它用于生命能量，用于进食，用于刮擦。现在，如果你当时正在吃东西，如果你想划伤，现在该怎么办？这是一个类似的问题。看看你必须做什么，你在正确的时间，按照你想要的方式做。如果你需要你的脚 - 运行，你应该跑。当你不得不坐下时，你应该坐下来。当你必须睡觉时，你必须睡觉。我的意思是这是正常的。 Sahaja Yogis并不意味着你应该割你的鼻子。不，这并不意味着。这意味着你必须更加美丽。没关系，即使你弯曲了十次，你也会看到它，但是如果你自己拉回来，甚至一次也是如此。无所谓，谦虚，更谦虚，更谦虚，是如此的甜蜜和善良。你看，让你更有文化，更和谐，更美丽。

Man: I have a problem.

男子：我有问题。

Shri Mataji: What's it?

锡吕.玛塔吉：什么问题？

Man: I've been, in my humble way, devoted myself, to the spiritual Realization of myself, I adopted meditation, I completely lost number of years. I realized that state in subtle awareness and I feel myself highly elevated from this material world, the feeling of bliss, absolute peace, happiness and joy. And, I see, the Spirit which I construct upon in a very glorious, boarded way, in a boarded, shut, boarded way. That state continues for some time, but doesn't stay for a long time, for a long number of days. After short time again I find, you know, I come down. And this goes like a curve, and when I find that from the height I have come down, I feel little disturbed. Why it is happening? And, I have found that more I detach myself from my family, from my work, from my friends from other things, the lighter I feel and the greater number of peace I get from meditation. Now, trouble stage is this – about one year ago, when I would see a beautiful girl – a beautiful lady, I would remain restless perhaps for two days, three days or something like that. When I learnt about Patanjali's yoga –

男人：我一直以我谦卑的方式，全身心地投入到自己的灵自觉中，我采取了冥想，我完全失去了多年。我意识到这种状态具有微妙的意识，我觉得自己从这个物质世界，幸福的感觉，绝对的平安，幸福和快乐中高度提升。而且，我看到了，我以一种非常光荣，登上的方式建造的灵，以一种登上，关闭，登上的方式。这种状态持续了一段时间，但长时间没有停留很长时间。经过短暂的一段时间，我发现，我知道，我下来了。这就像一条曲线，当我从高处发现我已经下来时，我感到有点不安。为什么会这样？并且，我发现我更多地从家庭，工作，朋友和其他事物中分离出自己，我感觉到的打火机以及从冥想中得到的更多和平。现在，麻烦的阶段就是这个 - 大约一年前，当我看到一个漂亮的女孩 - 一位漂亮的女士时，我会保持不安，也许是两天，三天或类似的东西。当我了解Patanjali的瑜伽时 -

Shri Mataji: What yoga is this?

锡吕.玛塔吉：这是什么瑜伽？

Man: Beg Your pardon?

男人：请原谅？

Shri Mataji: What yoga you are doing?

锡吕.玛塔吉：你在做什么瑜伽？

Man: Now, I'm just saying that now, I'm perfectly all right.

男子：现在，我只是说，现在，我完全可以。

Shri Mataji: What was that you did? What yoga did you do?

锡吕.玛塔吉：你做了什么？你做了什么瑜伽？

Man: Well, as a matter of fact, I'm not following any yoga as such but I have studied Patanjali.

男子：嗯，事实上，我并没有遵循任何瑜伽，但我研究过Patanjali。

Shri Mataji: Patanjali, all right.

锡吕.玛塔吉：帕坦加利，好吧。

Man: And, then when I met … Now the concern is this: that attraction which I used to have sometime back is eliminated. But still, I do find a stern will within myself, to maintain that state of mind which gives me lot of bliss, for that moment, it disappears and then again I revert to that. That is my personal problem. I think I've tried to be very open.

男人：然后，当我遇到的时候......现在关注的是：我过去曾经有过的吸引力被淘汰了。但是，我仍然在自己身上发现了一种严厉的意志，以保持那种给我很多幸福的心态，那一刻，它消失了，然后我又回到了那里。这是我个人的问题。我想我已经试着非常开放。

Shri Mataji: Yes, yes, that's correct. All right. Now, the first thing what chakras are catching?

锡吕.玛塔吉：是的，是的，这是正确的。好吧。现在，轮穴正在堵塞的第一件事是什么？

Man: Left Swadisthana.

男士：左Swadasthana。

Shri Mataji: That's it.

锡吕.玛塔吉：就是这样。

Now see, to do Patanjali was a mistake in the very beginning. As a Mother, I must tell you frankly, all right? Because Patanjali cannot be done unless and until you have some Realized guru behind it. If you start doing it, it is unauthorized, you see? It is an unauthorized thing to do. Like, supposing I am not a say police man. All right? And, I start behaving like a police man. I'll be arrested. In the same way, you did it in an unauthorized way. By doing in an unauthorized way, you see, you have started in the wrong direction, all together. The direction was wrong. And the bliss and all that you get it, is not the bliss that we are talking about.

现在看，Patanjali从一开始就是一个错误。作为母亲，我必须坦率地告诉你，好吗？因为帕坦加利不可能做到，除非你有一些真正的导师背后。如果你开始这样做，它是未经授权的，你知道吗？这是一个未经授权的事情。就像，假设我不是一个说警察的人。好吧？而且，我开始表现得像个警察。我会被捕以同样的方式，你以未经授权的方式做到了。通过以未经授权的方式进行，您可以看到，您已经开始朝着错误的方向前进。方向错了。而幸福和所有你得到的，并不是我们所谈论的幸福。

That's a bliss one gets when, you see, shirk responsibility, you can get it. You see if you can get out of your family and children and all that, one can feel blissful if he thinks that it is having a sort of a, pressure on you, or a kind of a, attachment or something.

当你看到推卸责任时，这是一种幸福，你可以得到它。你看，如果你能离开你的家庭和孩子，那么，如果他认为它对你有某种压力，或某种依恋或某种东西，你会感到幸福。

But in Sahaja Yoga what happens is, that you become a personality when you are in the drama but you are just seeing it. You become a Sakshi. That should happen. That's the reality. That's how it should happen. Once it happens to you, then you will just start seeing the whole thing as a drama.

但是在霎哈嘉瑜伽中，当你在戏剧中但是你刚刚看到它时，你会成为一个人格。你成为一个Sakshi。那应该发生。这就是实相。这就是应该如何发生的。一旦发生在你身上，那么你就会开始把整个事情视为戏剧。

Man: Yes.

男子：是的。

Shri Mataji: You understand?

锡吕.玛塔吉：你明白吗？

Shri Mataji: What is he saying?

锡吕.玛塔吉：他在说什么？

Sahaja Yogi: He feels a slight cool breeze.

霎哈嘉瑜伽士：他觉得微风轻微。

He is getting. Yes, he is a Realized soul. Yes, he got Realization.

他得到了。是的，他是一个自觉的灵。是的，他得到了自觉。

He got it. What about this gentleman here, in front of you Marcus?

他明白了。这位先生在你面前马库斯，怎么样？

So it should happen in the most natural way, in a spontaneous way. And, God has given you that “ankura” which is called as Kundalini, which of course you know Kabir and all these people have talked about. But it is a Sahaja method, it just happens to you, with a Realized soul only. You cannot do it yourself. If you try to do it, you will be making a mistake. And that's what has happened in you. So now we have to completely sort of neutralize the effects of that. And then we'll raise your Kundalini by which you'll get your Realization, by which, gradually you will get your vibrations, and you'll start understanding. All right? So, you just now forget about that what you have done it. And it's going to work out, then it's a permanent thing. Hu?

所以它应该以最自然的方式，以自发的方式发生。并且，上帝给了你“ankura”，它被称为Kundalini，当然你知道Kabir以及所有这些人都在谈论过。但这是一种霎哈嘉方法，它恰好发生在你身上，只有一个自觉的灵。你不能自己做。如果你试图这样做，你就会犯错误。这就是你身上发生的事情。所以现在我们必须完全抵消它的影响。然后我们将提升你的昆达里尼，通过它你将获得你的自觉，逐渐地你将获得你的生命能量，你将开始理解。好吧？所以，你现在忘记你做了什么。它会发挥作用，然后它是一个永久性的东西。胡？

Shri Mataji: What about his vibration Marcus?

锡吕.玛塔吉：他的生命能量Marcus怎么样？

Marcus: Vishudhi.

马库斯：Vishudhi。

Shri Mataji: Left or right?

锡吕.玛塔吉：左或右？

You've got your Realization is it? I'm asking him.

你有自觉吗？我在问他。

Other man: Yes.

其他男人：是的。

Shri Mataji: Is it all right? There's a catch on the left is it? Are you feeling something?

锡吕.玛塔吉：可以吗？左边有一个问题是它吗？你有什么感觉吗？

You get what?

你得到了什么？

Other man: I have a slight pain on my leg [unsure].

其他男人：我腿上有轻微的疼痛[不确定]。

Shri Mataji: Hum, hum.

锡吕玛塔吉：我们，我们

Anybody who has any problems about chakras, any one of the Sahaja Yogis. Anybody who has any problem about their own charkas, please ask Me. You see, because to, next time we'll be having lots of people here, then we won't be able to talk, so better ask Me about it.

任何对chakras有任何问题的人，任何一个霎哈嘉瑜伽士。任何对自己的charkas有任何问题的人，请问我。你知道，因为下次我们这里会有很多人，那么我们就无法说话了，所以最好问问我。

Ganesh what is your problem?

Ganesh你的问题是什么？

Ganesh: My problem? Hum.

Ganesh：我的问题？哼。

Shri Mataji: Agnya. I can see that clearly, from here. You have to forgive people. Do you understand that? Forgive, and forgive.

锡吕.玛塔吉：Agnya。我可以从这里清楚地看到。你必须原谅别人。你明白吗？原谅，原谅。

What about her vibrations? Now just see.

她的生命能量怎么样？现在看看。

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Shri Mataji: You have not been?

锡吕.玛塔吉：你还没去过？

Seeker: I have not been here very much.

寻找者：我没有来过这里。

Shri Mataji: All right. But have you been practicing?

锡吕.玛塔吉：好的。但你练习了吗？

Seeker: I've practiced and I stopped practicing for a while.

求道者：我练习了，我停止练习了一段时间。

Shri Mataji: Why?

锡吕.玛塔吉：为什么？

Seeker: Hum.

求道者：哼哼。

Shri Mataji: Now, what have you been practicing? Did you take vibrations and did you cleanse yourself?

锡吕.玛塔吉：现在，你练习了什么？你有生命能量并且自己清洗了吗？

Seeker: No [Inaudible] I didn't take foot soaks

寻找者：没有[听不清]我没有采取足部浸泡

Shri Mataji: Foot bath.

锡吕.玛塔吉：足浴。

Seeker: I didn't know when to use …

求道者：我不知道何时使用......

Shri Mataji: Any time. Evening is better. So, what is it then?

锡吕.玛塔吉：任何时候。晚上更好。那么，它是什么呢？

Seeker: Sorry?

求道者：抱歉？

Shri Mataji: What- you are not feeling anything in your hand.

锡吕.玛塔吉：什么 - 你手上没有任何感觉。

Seeker: No.. [Inaudible]

求道者：否...... [音频不清晰]

Shri Mataji: In which fingers are you feeling the tingling?

锡吕.玛塔吉：你感觉刺痛的手指在哪？

Seeker: In most of them.

寻找者：在大多数人中。

Shri Mataji: Most of them.

锡吕.玛塔吉：大多数人。

Seeker: Yes.

求道者：是的。

Shri Mataji: Oh, God [Shri Mataji is laughing]

锡吕.玛塔吉：哦，上帝​​[Shri Mataji笑]

So, where have you been before coming to Me? To what group you have been?

那么，在你来找我之前你去过哪里？你去过哪个小组？

Seeker: I got to [Inaudible].

求道者：我得[听不清]。

Shri Mataji: What does he do?

锡吕.玛塔吉：他做了什么？

Seeker: He taught us seeing into your original face.

寻找者：他教我们看到你的原始面孔。

Shri Mataji: What does he say?

锡吕.玛塔吉：他说什么？

Seeker: Look to your original face. That's Zen.

寻找者：看看你原来的面孔。那是禅。

Shri Mataji: Zen.

Shori Oshii：哦不。

Seeker: Yes.

求道者：是的。

Shri Mataji: But he is not a Realized soul. You see, this is Zen, what else I am teaching here? Do you realize? Sahaja Yoga is nothing else but Zen, simple Zen!

锡吕.玛塔吉：但他不是一个自觉的灵。你知道，这是禅，我在这里教什么？你有没有意识到？霎哈嘉瑜伽不仅仅是禅宗，简单的禅宗！

Unless and until you are Realized, how are you going to see into the original? How are you going to penetrate into that? This is simple Zen I'm telling.

除非你自觉，否则你将如何看待原作？你打算怎么进入那个？这是简单的禅我告诉。

So what is he doing here, your friend?

那他在这做什么，你的朋友呢？

He has not a class or something?

他没有班级或什么？

Seeker: No. He's just a friend. He writes and teaches us things.

求道者：不，他只是个朋友。他写作和教我们的东西。

Shri Mataji: What's the use of writing without understanding? You cannot copy Zen. You have to be there.

锡吕.玛塔吉：没有理解，写作有什么用？你无法复制禅宗。你必须在那里。

See, there were only twenty six Kashyapas in the six century there. Kashyapas means Realized souls, you see, in the Zen system, so far. And now we have so many of them here. So this is Zen, nothing else but Zen. You must understand.

看，那里六世纪只有二十六个Kashyapas。 Kashyapas意味着，到目前为止，在禅宗系统中，已经自觉了灵魂。现在我们在这里有这么多人。所以这是禅，除了禅之外别无他物。你必须明白。

You tell him to come and see Me sometimes. You see, this is all artificial, you cannot copy people. You have to get it, you understand My point?

你告诉他有时来看我。你看，这都是人为的，你不能复制人。你必须得到它，你了解我的观点？

Seeker: But I'm not sure [Inaudible]…I have problems.

寻找者：但我不确定[听不清] ......我有问题。

Shri Mataji: What is it?

锡吕.玛塔吉：这是什么？

Seeker: One time I was in hospital, for several times.

寻找者：有一次我在医院，有好几次。

Shri Mataji: Yes. You have been.

锡吕.玛塔吉：是的。你去过。

Seeker: Yes.

求道者：是的。

Shri Mataji: No, that's true, but what I'm saying is that, for that you should take your treatment. All right? We have some treatments here. Do you know what we give for that?

锡吕.玛塔吉：不，这是真的，但我所说的是，为此，你应该接受治疗。好吧？我们这里有一些治疗方法。你知道我们给的是什么吗？

Seeker: [Inaudible].

求道者：[听不清]。

Shri Mataji: Yes, did you bring that?

锡吕.玛塔吉：是的，你带来了吗？

Seeker: I did yes.

寻找者：我做的是。

Shri Mataji: You did once.

锡吕.玛塔吉：你曾经做过一次。

Seeker: Yes. I just had it two times.

求道者：是的。我刚吃了两次。

Shri Mataji: All right. Now both the hands you are getting the tingling or one hand?

锡吕.玛塔吉：好的。既然双手都是刺痛的还是单手？

[Shri Mataji speaks in Hindi to a Sahaja Yogi and asks where is the tingling].

[Shri Mataji用印地语说话给霎哈嘉瑜伽士，并询问刺痛的地方]。

Shri Mataji: It will be, gradually, it will be settling down. You see, it has to settle down within you.

锡吕.玛塔吉：逐渐地，它将会安定下来。你看，它必须在你内心安定下来。

He's come with you, is it?

他和你一起来，是吗？

Sahaja Yogi: Yes. …

只有瑜珈士：是的。 ...

Shri Mataji: All right, just see his vibrations, you can see yourself. Hum, left side is very weak. All right, now what about you, both the hands or left hand?

锡吕.玛塔吉：好吧，看看他的生命能量，你可以看到自己。哼，左边很弱。好吧，现在你的手，左手还是左手呢？

Seeker: [Inaudible].

求道者：[听不清]。

Shri Mataji: Where?

锡吕.玛塔吉：哪里？

Seeker: [Inaudible].

求道者：[听不清]。

Shri Mataji: Some are sitting here you see. [Shri Mataji is laughing] Changing very fast.

锡吕.玛塔吉：有些人坐在这里，你看到了。 [Shri Mataji笑着]变化非常快。

Give a Realization to Soman who is in the corner there.

给那个在角落里的索曼一个自觉。

He is getting? He hasn't got it yet?

他越来越？他还没有得到它？

Sahaja Yogini: No…

只有女瑜伽士：不......

Shri Mataji: Ah? I never knew. Really? You've been to some tea, no? Come, let's see, come on my feet.

锡吕.玛塔吉：啊？我一直都不知道。真？你去过一些茶，不是吗？来吧，让我们看看，站起来吧。

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

H.H. Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi