19800630 在其他Lokas(界域)发生了什么？卡克斯顿大厅，伦敦，英格兰

What is happening in other Lokas? Caxton Hall, London, England. 30 June 1980.

在其他Lokas(界域)发生了什么？卡克斯顿大厅，伦敦，英格兰。1980年6月30日。

I don’t mind to tell you about what’s happening in the other lokas, which we don’t see, of which we are not aware. It may frighten you a little bit, but the time has come for us to know how are we placed in relation to the Whole, what are the plans of the Divine, and how are we going to fulfil them.

我不介意告诉另一个界域发生了什么，那是我们看不到的，也是我们不知道的。这可能会有点吓到你，但现在是时候了，我们应该知道我们是如何与整体联系在一起的，上天的计划是什么，我们该如何自觉这些计划。

Now most of you are here realised souls. Some of you have come first time; you will also get your realisation. But the common point is that you are all seekers, seekers of God, seekers of peace, seekers of love, that’s a common thing. But this seeking has come to you not for your own sake, for an individual ascent or for some achievements of a place from where there is no return, but this is the Last Judgement that all the human beings have to face. They have to go through it and to achieve their last, achieve their place in the kingdom of God.

现在，你们在这里的大多数人都是自觉的灵。有些人是第一次来，你们也会获得自觉。但共同点是：你们都是求道者，都是寻求上帝的人，寻求和平的人，寻求爱的人，这是一件共同的事。但这种追求并不是为了你自己，不是为了个人的升进，也不是为了在没有归宿的地方取得的一些成就，而这是为了全人类必须面对的最后一个审判。他们必须经历，必须得到他们最终的，即获得在神的国度中的位置。

Today you are sitting before Me, you have been with Me before and much before. But today especially when you are with Me, you have come here to face up to it and to see for yourself that you are able to bear the Truth, the love, the blessings of God. That you can enter into the Kingdom of God and abide there, in His reign, with all His powers flowing through you. It has been promised before. All promises are to be fulfilled. All scriptures are to be supported and are to be proved.

今天，你们坐在我面前，你们之前曾经跟我在一起，甚至在更早的时候就已经跟我在一起了。但是今天，特别是当你们和我在一起的时候，你们已经来到这里面对它，并看到你自己是能够承受真理，承受爱和上帝的祝福的。那么你们就可以进入上帝的国度并可以驻留在那里，在他的统治下，他所有的力量都会流通于你们。这是已承诺过的，所有的承诺都会得到兑现，所有的经典都会得到支持和证明。

But we must know that there is a great war going on between satanic forces and Divine forces and all the satanic forces who symbolised as devils, in Sanskrit language they are called as rakshasas, asuras and all that, have taken their birth on this Earth to demolish the Kingdom of God. Imagine! What ambitions! But they want to demolish this kingdom of God in your hearts. The kingdom of God exists, will exist, it’s eternal. It has created Universes after Universes. It has created human beings from amoeba to this stage. It has brought you to this position that today you are here to receive your ultimate goal. It all has happened now.

但我们必须知道，撒旦的力量与神圣的力量之间正在发生着一场大战，而所有象征着魔鬼的撒旦力量，在梵文中他们被称为罗刹魔，阿修罗所有这一类的，他们已在这个地球上出生，为了摧毁上帝的国度而出生，想象一下！多大的野心！但是他们想要摧毁你们心中的这个上帝的国。上帝的国存在着，它将一直存在，它是永恒的。它已经创造了一个又一个的宇宙。它将人类从阿米巴创造到现在这个阶段。它把你们带到今天这个位置，来获得你们最终的目标。现在这一切都已经发生了。

At this critical moment, at this precious moment when you are about to enter into the Kingdom of God, all these forces are built up to pull you down. It lies in your wisdom to understand that the forces are very subtle, extremely cunning, beyond your comprehension. Even after entering into Self-realised state you have noticed, how they act on you, try to drag you down, pull you down.

在这个关键的时刻，在你们即将进入神的国度的这一宝贵的时刻，所有这些撒旦的力量都是为了把你们拉下来，这要靠你们的智慧去理解这些力量是非常精微的，非常的狡猾，超越你们的理解力。即使在进入自我觉醒状态之后，你们也已经注意到，撒旦的力量是如何作用于你，并试图把你拖下来，拉下来。

This war is played not on the conscious plane as it was played before. Say one rakshasa coming in, was alright to kill him. He came as a rakshasa, he came as a devil, he was killed, finished. But today they have come [disguised] as godly men, as god men – as they call them, as god women. They call themselves as god, gurus. They have come in the garb of religion. These ancient rakshasas have taken their birth and they have gone into the minds of the seekers. Thousands and thousands of seekers they have captured. Imagine the situation is so, so precarious and so dangerous. They have entered into the minds of the people who are the seekers, who are the ones who are to be bestowed with this Kingdom, who are to be enthroned, who are to be crowned, have been destroyed, tortured, by these horrible forces. And because it is not in your conscious plane, you cannot see them, you cannot feel them you cannot understand them, how dangerous they are. While they have learnt all the methods of coming into your ego or into your superego, to influence you.

这场战争不像以前那样在意识层面发生。当一个罗刹魔来到时，杀掉他是没问题的。他们变成罗刹魔，变成恶魔到来，他们被杀掉，完结了。但今天，他们伪装成虔诚的人，伪装成上帝的人，他们自称为女神，他们称自己为上帝，导师。他们披着宗教的外衣而来。这些古老的罗刹魔已经出生，并且已经进入到求道者的头脑中，他们已经俘获了成千上万的求道者。可以想象，现在的形势是多么不确定，多么危险。他们已经进入了那些求道者的头脑中，进入到那些已被神的国度赐福的人之中，进入到已经登上神的国度位置的人之中，进入到已被加冕的人之中，这些人被这些可怕的撒旦力量所摧残和折磨。因为这不是你的意识层面，你看不到他们，你感觉不到他们，你无法理解他们，他们是如此的危险。而他们已经学会了进入你们自我或超我的所有方法，来影响你们。

That war we all have to fight. If we have to establish ourselves fully in the kingdom of God, we must know that we have to fight all those pulling forces.

我们所有人都要为这场战争而战。如果我们要在神的国度里完全建立我们自己，我们就必须要知道：我们要与所有那些将我们往下拉的撒旦力量作战。

Sahaja Yoga is not meant for useless people, is not meant for people who have no courage, is not meant for cowards. It’s not meant for people who run after money and who run after all these material things. Especially the first people who are the foundation of Sahaja Yoga, they have to be people of great calibre and of great desire to achieve their state of emancipation, because they are the people who are going to save the whole humanity. They are the redeemers, they are the one who are going to manifest the salvation of this doomed humanity.

霎哈嘉瑜伽不是针对那些无用的人，不是针对那些没有勇气的人，也不是针对那些懦弱的人。不是针对那些追求金钱和追求所有这些物质的人。特别是作为霎哈嘉瑜伽根基的第一批人，他们必须是具有伟大能力的人，必须具有伟大的愿望自觉他们的解放，因为他们是将要拯救整个人类的人。他们是救赎者，他们是将要自觉这个注定人类救赎工作的人。

Those who are weak can be strengthened because the energy lies within them. Those who are unhealthy can be cured. Those who are mentally disturbed can be brought round. But there is no place for cowards in this. You have to be courageous and cheerful people, for one thing, because you represent that Force which is fighting for the Divine, for God Almighty, you are His hands. And you have to be wise, also. Stupid people are no good. Stupidity can never help you to rise. You have to be wise people. Useless people, those who run after nonsensical things, let them go wherever they like, they’ll come back when their time and turn will come. We need not be many people for this. Very few can save the world, but they have to be strong and absolutely established in their understanding of the powers of their Spirit, powers of their Father who is Almighty.

那些软弱的人可以变得强大，因为能量在他们的内在，那些不健康的人可以被治愈，那些有灵问题的人可以被带回正常。但是，这里没有懦夫的位置，你必须是充满勇气令人愉快的人。首先，因为你代表那个为上天而战的力量，代表上帝大能的力量，你们是上天力量的双手，所以，你必须也要有智慧。愚蠢的人没什么好处，愚蠢永远不能帮助你升进，你要成为有智慧的人。无用的人们，那些追寻荒谬事情的人们，让他们去到任何他们想去的地方吧，当他们的时间到了，轮回到了，他们会再回来。为上天做工作我们不需要太多的人，很少的人就可以拯救世界，但是他们必须是强大的人，绝对地建立起对他们灵体的理解，建立起对他们大能的天父力量的理解

Don’t worry what happened to you before getting Realisation. Those who ponder over these things will not achieve much. Past is past, is finished now. Today, you are facing Me and I am facing you. This is the present. It is not possible for Me to give you the complete vision of the great war that is on and how you are to be saved. The tempest I feel, in a boat, I am putting My children in. Try to keep in the center to keep the gravity alright. And when you will get strong enough, you will row the boat with Me.

不用担心你获得自觉之前发生过什么，那些对过去思前想后的人不会有所收获，过去已经过去了，到现在完结了。今天，你们正面对着我，我也正面对着你们。这就是当下。我不可能给予你们正在进行的这场伟大战争以及你们是如何被拯救的完整视景。我感觉到的惊涛骇浪是：在一艘船上，我正把我的孩子们放进去。尝试保持在中央，保持重心力妥当。当你们越来越强大时，你们就可以跟我一起划船。

Do not hate yourself. Do not torture yourself and don’t feel guilty by which you become very, very weak. What is there to feel guilty? I don’t understand. Imagine a warrior and a soldier feeling guilty at the time when the war is on. You have to be full of enthusiasm and full of valor. All these small, petty things, which destroy your Spirit, throw them away. No place for all these fashionable things of feeling guilty. This is the weakness of the West.  If you have to progress fast and if you want all this to be achieved, time is very short. You have to realise that. There is no time for ‘hanky-pankies’ as you call it. But there is no time also for going round the places. You have to settle down now, you have to get to it.

不要憎恨自己，不要折磨自己，不要感到内疚，因为那样你们会变得非常非常脆弱。有什么好内疚的呢？我不明白。想象一下，当战争开始的时候，一个战士，一个士兵感到内疚会怎样呢。你们必须要充满热情充满勇气。所有这些微小的，琐碎的事情都会摧毁你们的灵体，把它们扔掉，这里没有地方搁置这些时尚的令人内疚的东西。这是西方的弱点。如果你们要快速进步，如果你们想获得一切，时间是非常短暂的，你们必须要意识到这一点。没有时间给那些你们称作hanky-pankies耍花招的人，也没有时间给那些到处闲逛的人，你们现在必须要安定下来，你们必须要达成它。

So many realised-souls are born today as children in all the communities, even in Russia – can you imagine? Russians are going to come to Sahaja Yoga. I have been there. They may be the first because they have reasoned out all the nonsense of the so-called religious and the religiosities and all the nonsense of the false people who preach religion. There is no place for false gurus in Russia, no place. Also for real gurus there is no place (laughter). So you have to get, enter there through their children and children will recognise Sahaja Yoga. Within ten years’ time everything has to spark.

如此多自觉的灵作为孩子出生于现在，在所有的社区，甚至在俄罗斯--你们能想象吗？俄罗斯人正要来到霎哈嘉瑜伽。我去过那里。他们可能是第一个来到霎哈嘉的人，因为他们已经讲清楚了所有宣扬宗教虚假人的所谓宗教和宗教信仰的荒谬， 在俄罗斯，没有假导师的容身之地，没有，同样，在俄罗斯，对于真正的导师，也没有容身之地(笑声)。所以你们必须通过他们的孩子进入那里，孩子们会认出霎哈嘉瑜伽。十年之内，一切都会触发。

It does not matter how you do it but you have to do it. For Me and for the Divine you are the most important things. Doesn’t matter if there is an earthquake and few horrible buildings fall down. It makes no difference to the Divine. What is important is how many are aware, how many are progressing, how many are settling down. Those who are very frightened type have no place in Sahaja Yoga. That means you are still playing into the hands of these negative forces. Imagine, frightened people coming as soldiers for Sahaja Yoga! (laughing)

你们怎么做并不重要，但你们必须要去做。对于我和上天来说，你们是最重要的事情。如果有地震，一些可怕的建筑物倒塌，没关系，这对上天来说没什么区别。重要的是有多少人觉醒，有多少人在进步，有多少人安定下来。那些内在充满恐惧的人在霎哈嘉瑜伽没有位置，那只说明你仍然被负面力量玩弄于股掌之中。想象一下，恐惧的人以战士的形象来到霎哈嘉瑜伽是怎样的！(大笑)

All the powers that are within you will start manifesting when you show your valor. When you are not even willing to raise your hand, how your sword is going to work? In India, now there are thousands and thousands of Sahaja yogis and they are progressing fast. You have to see now in the West, how are we going to progress and how are we going to settle down.

所有的力量都在你们的内在，当你们显现勇气的时候（这些力量都会出现）。当你甚至连手都不愿意举起的时候，你的剑如何去工作？现在在印度，有成千上万的霎哈嘉瑜伽士，他们进步得很快。你们必须看看现在在西方，我们将如何取得进展，以及我们将如何安定下来。

It takes time in the West, no doubt to settle down. Though realisation is much quicker, Indians get, as I always say that they are difficult nuts to be cracked. Even British are like that compared to other Europeans. But those who get Realisation also go down very fast, sometimes but British once they get it, they get it alright in their ‘nuts’, they are good. There’s something about the tradition maybe. But still don’t take too much time to get your Realisation. Why should you get too much time to get your realisation? You just desire it and it should work. It’s only your desire that is going to awaken it. Desire it from your heart, not outwardly.

在西方安定下来需要时间，毫无疑问，尽管获得自觉的速度更快，但印度人安定下来了，正如我常说的，他们是很难被打破的坚果。与其他欧洲人相比，即使是英国人也是如此。但那些得到自觉的人也会很快地下降，但有时候英国人一旦得到了，他们就能在他们的“坚果”中保持完好，他们是很好的，这也许与他们的传统有关。但还是不要花太多得时间来获得你们的自觉。为什么你们要花费如此多的时间去获得自觉呢？你们只要渴望它，它就会起作用。只有你们渴望就会唤醒它。从你们的内心去渴望，而不是外在的。

It’s a fashion nowadays to be a seeker. No, it is an urge! You cannot live without it. You have to find it out. You try anything else. People are committing suicide because they have not been able to find out their own meanings. And that’s why it is very important that you must take Sahaja Yoga, not just like a shopping centre, like guru shopping, but very seriously, because your meaning is there to be found out. But your purpose and then the manifestation of your purpose, that has to happen.

现如今，成为一个求道者变成了一种时尚。不，那是一种推动力，没有它你们活不下去，你们必须找到它，你们尝试了很多别的事情。人们自杀是因为他们无法找到自己的意义。这就是为什么你们必须练习霎哈嘉瑜伽是这样重要的原因，不只是像个购物中心，像导师选购，但非常严肃的是，因为你们的意义在那里被找到，而你们的意图，你们的意图会显现出来，这必须发生。

Sahaja Yoga started working in three phases in the West I think. First, that people got their realisation to see that there is [something] wrong with them, where they have got something wrong. The attention was taken inside by which they could see that they have problems. If you do not see your problems and somebody says that you have problems, you will hit that person, very badly. It’s better that you see for yourself that there is a problem. Once you see that problem within yourself you will be anxious to see that you get rid of it. But if you do not see your problem you think that you are doing very great jobs and you are very great and you are perfectly alright. Or else if you see also some of the defects because some people write that, “This is wrong, that is wrong”, then you become guilty. Both ways is wrong because one way you go towards ego, the other way you go towards superego.

我认为，在西方，霎哈嘉瑜伽在三个阶段开始工作。首先，人们得到他们的自觉，然后看到自己有些问题，发现自己错在哪里。他们的注意力开始转向内在，看到自己的问题。如果你们没看到自己的问题，有人说你们有问题，你们会非常激烈地对抗那个人。最好你们自己看到问题，一旦你们看到了自己内在的问题，你们就会急于摆脱它。但如果你们没有看到自己的问题，你们就会认为自己做了了不起的工作，自己非常伟大，自我感觉良好。或者，如果你们也看到了一些缺陷，因为有些人写了这个问题，“这是错误的，那是错误的”，你们就会感到内疚，这两种方式都是错误的，因为一条路，你们走向自我，另一条路，你们走向超我。

So through awakening, you start seeing yourself which side you lie, what’s the problem. You start judging yourself. The first judgement starts by yourself, “Mr. so and so judge yourself. Here you are the mirror. Now see!” This is what it is. So you judge yourself and you want to get rid of it, you don’t want it anymore within you.

所以通过内在的觉醒，你们开始看到自己撒谎的一面，看到自己出了什么问题，你们开始审判自己。第一个审判是通过你自己开始的，“X先生，你自己来评判吧。在这里你就是镜子。现在看吧！”就是这样的，所以你评判自己，你想摆脱它，你不让它再留在内在。

Then the second trouble starts when you start judging others. First you judge others, you get frightened, “Oh God! Horrible vibrations, run away. We’ll get caught up!” [But] gradually you get immuned, “Ah, We’ve known this type, we’ve known that type, we’ve known that type, we’ve know that, all these types we know.” Then you do not condemn anyone but you love and in that love you judge. Because you want others to get rid of their problems, you help, you share their problems to begin with. And the joy of giving starts working in you, to others.

当你开始评判别人，第二个麻烦开始了。首先，你评判别人，然后你变得恐惧。“哦，天哪！糟糕的生命能量，快跑。我们都会被感染的！“[但是]渐渐地，你们获得了免疫力，“啊，我们了解这种情况，我们已经了解那种情况，所有这些情况我们都已经了解了。”那你就不会责备任何人，而你只是爱，在爱之中你判断。因为你想让别人摆脱他们的问题，你帮助他们，从分享他们的问题开始，给予的喜乐开始在你身上工作，流向他人。

Now the problem starts when you look around, Western society I am talking about. You find your society is in doldrum. What’s the problem? Why the society is in the doldrum? What has happened? What basics have you lost? What part of the sustenance of human being is lost? Why? Why? So you find about your marriage institutions, about your relationship with each other. That has to be settled. That has to give you joy, real joy, of companionship and love.

现在，当你们环顾四周，问题开始了，我说的是西方社会。你们会发现你们的社会处于低谷之中。问题是什么？为什么社会处于低谷？发生了什么？你们失去了什么基础？人类的哪一部分养分缺失了？为什么？为什么？因此你们找到你们的婚姻制度，你们彼此的关系，这些都需要安定下来，这会给予你们喜乐，真正的喜乐，真正陪伴和爱的喜乐。

And in the third phase, the great who are trying to be born on this Earth, so many of them. They are around here, just here, watching. They have to be born. You have to be parents of those children. They are going to blast all these satanic forces because they know what these satans are like and how they are to be blasted. They are experts. I have seen so many of them and you have seen also. They know what is Kundalini, they know how to raise it and they know how to blast all these people. And then the whole society of realised souls is going to pull out this humanity. Everyone need not be brought to Sahaja Yoga. They’ll be all pulled out. We must have sufficient pulling force within us.

在第三阶段，很多伟大的人都尝试在地球上出生，很多人。他们就在周围，就在这里，看吧，他们必须出生。你们必须是那些孩子的父母，他们将会摧毁所有撒旦的力量，因为他们知道这些撒旦是什么，以及如何摧毁他们。他们是专家。我见过很多这样的人，你们也见过。他们知道什么是昆达里尼，他们知道如何提升昆达里尼，他们知道如何摧毁这些撒旦力量的人。然后，整个社会自觉的灵将会恢复人性，每个人都不需要被带到霎哈嘉瑜伽，他们都会恢复人性，我们内在必须有足够恢复的力量。

So those who come to Me earlier have a greater responsibility than those who’ll be coming much later, say after ten years. They’ll be just jumping into it. You are the ones who are going to do that. So judge your self-esteem and do not try to condemn yourself for anything. That’s forbidden in Sahaja Yoga, you know that. You are all saints. So many saints sitting here. Imagine! The Gods are singing. The Angels are showering all their joy upon you. What a meeting it is! What a Force it is!

所以，那些很早找到我的人，比那些很晚来找我的人，比如说十年后，有更伟大的责任。后者只是会来到霎哈嘉瑜伽，而你们才是要去做的人。所以，判断你们的自尊，不要因为任何事而责备自己。在霎哈嘉瑜伽，你们知道，这是禁止的。你们都是圣人。很多圣人都坐在这里。想象一下！神祗们在歌唱，天使们在向你们倾泻他们所有的喜乐，这是怎样的聚会啊！怎样强大的力量！

The auspiciousness of this meeting acts not only in England, not only in Europe, but in the whole Universe. But the channels have to be strong enough to manifest it. That’s why today I said, “I have to say something really serious”.

这聚会的吉祥，不仅在英国，在欧洲，而在整个宇宙都运作着。但是管道必须足够强大，才能彰显出来。这就是为什么我今天说，“我必须说一些非常严肃的话“。

On the 27th we are going to have a big puja, you know that (Guru Puja, 1980-07-27) and I would like you to think about what I have said today. And I would like you also to proclaim within yourself that you will establish this Mahayoga on this Earth, that you will bring the blessings of this Golden Age on this Earth, which was created for this. The whole creation will find its own meaning.

May God bless you.

在27号，我们将有一个很大的普祭，你们知道的(导师普祭，1980-07-27)，我希望你们再想想我今天说的话，我也希望你们能在内心宣告，你们将会在这个地球上建立这一伟大的瑜伽，你们将在地球上带来这个黄金时代的祝福，这个时代是为此而创造的，整个创造都将找到它自身的意义。

愿上帝保佑你们。

Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi